Friday, April 11, 2014

Bible Truths for Seventh-Day Adventists (SDA), part 6; SDA denial of eternal torment in the lake of fire for the heresy of "soul sleep" or annihilationism

12.) The true church teaches that believers are immediately and eternally in the presence of the Lord upon death, while the lost are immediately and eternally separated from God in conscious torment.[1] As soon as believers are “absent from the body” they are “present with the Lord” (2 Cor 5:8); for them death is to “depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better” (Phil 1:23). The godly are currently conscious as a “great cloud of witnesses” (Heb 12:2; 11:1-40), even before their future bodily resurrection (1 Th 4:13-18), because from the moment they trusted in Christ they possess eternal life (Jn 6:47), and “life eternal” is to “know . . . the only true God, and Jesus Christ” (Jn 17:3). Just as spiritual life is being in fellowship with God, not simply existing, spiritual death is not non-existence, but being separated from and out of fellowship with God (Eph 2:1-10). Physical death is also not non-existence, but the separation of the soul and spirit from the body (Gen 35:18; Ac 7:59), and the second death is not non-existence but being eternally separated from God in the lake of fire. The unsaved are not annihilated, but “dwell with the devouring fire . . . with everlasting burnings” (Is 33:14), “where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched” (Mr 9:44, 46, 48), in “outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Mt 8:12). They “shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and . . . shall be tormented with fire and brimstone . . . and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night” (Rev 14:9-11). The human political and spiritual leaders (the “beast” and the “false prophet”) of the one-world religion and one-world government will be “cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone” when Christ returns, will stay there while Christ rules the earth for “a thousand years,” and “when the thousand years are expired . . . the beast and the false prophet are” not annihilated, but are still in conscious misery in “the lake of fire and brimstone, where . . . [they] shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” This same “lake of fire” is where the unsaved “dead” are cast: “whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire . . . which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death” (Rev 19:20-21:8). The Bible is crystal-clear about the sobering reality that people who are in the lake of fire for a thousand years are still experiencing conscious punishment at the end of that period, and that they will be continually tormented “for ever and ever,” the just punishment for their infinite crimes against an infinitely holy God.

Seventh-Day Adventism denies that believers are immediately with the Lord upon their death and denies that the lost experience eternal conscious torment. Although the Bible uses the “sleep” metaphor only for the saved dead,[2] because they only have entered into everlasting rest with Christ, while the unsaved dead are not in rest but in torment, Adventism teaches “that [every] soul sleeps in the grave until the resurrection . . . the Christian, when he dies, does not go immediately to heaven, nor the sinner to hell . . . the sleep of the dead . . . [and] no . . . eternally burning hell . . . [is] the truth.”[3] Mrs. White blasphemed God by stating that if He, in His holy justice, makes the lost suffer “eternal torment,” then He is “a revengeful tyrant.”[4] Rather than blaspheming God because of dislike for the plain teaching of Scripture, SDAs ought to consider the question: “Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?” (Rom 9:20).

[1]              A variety of passages of Scripture are twisted by those who deny immediate, conscious, and eternal bliss for the saved and immediate, conscious, and eternal torment for the lost. For more on this subject, and an examination of the passages that allegedly support “soul-sleep” or annihilationism, visit:
[2]              Mt 27:52; Jn 11:11; Ac 7:60; 13:36; 1 Cor 15:6, 20; 1 Th 4:13-15, etc.
[3]              Pgs. 39-41, Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G. White. See also An Examination of the Scripture Testimony, “The State of the Dead,” pgs. 45ff.
[4]              Chapter 33, Great Controversy, Ellen White.


KJB1611 said...

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KJB1611 said...

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Berean said...

Dear all,

Here are some very interesting and relevant Bible texts about the final judgment of the wicked.

Best wishes,

Malachi 4:1-3 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves. 3 You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this," Says the LORD of hosts.

Psalm 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:

Psalm 73:17-19 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; Then I understood their end. 18 Surely You set them in slippery places; You cast them down to destruction. 19 Oh, how they are brought to desolation, as in a moment! They are utterly consumed with terrors.

Psalm 37:9-10 For evildoers shall be cut off; But those who wait on the LORD, They shall inherit the earth. 10 For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; Indeed, you will look carefully for his place, But it shall be no more.

Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish; And the enemies of the LORD, Like the splendor of the meadows, shall vanish. Into smoke they shall vanish away.

Psalm 68:1-2 Let God arise, Let His enemies be scattered; Let those also who hate Him flee before Him. 2 As smoke is driven away, So drive them away; As wax melts before the fire, So let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

Matthew 3:10-12 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 "His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable [a fire that cannot be quenched] fire."

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Philippians 3:18-19 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame -- who set their mind on earthly things.

Berean said...

And a few more...

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

2 Peter 2:6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;

2 Peter 3:10-12 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

Revelation 2:11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death." '

Ezekiel 28:18-19 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

KJB1611 said...

Dear SDA friend,

Thanks for the list of verses. They are all wonderful, interesting, and great, and born-again Christian Baptists believe every single one of them, along with every single word of Scripture, as the very words of Scripture are inspired. None of them prove annihilationism.

Why not deal with the passages actually listed in the post, and show how they don't teach the classical Christian doctrine of hell preached by Christ and the Apostles, and taught by Baptists from the first century until today? One of the main passages has a post dedicated to it here:

where it is reproduced from here:

Please comment on that passages exegeted there and refute the exegesis of Scripture if your doctrine really is true. Ignoring the passages dealt with in this post and that one will not be very convincing to people.