Monday, July 06, 2009

History and Deuteronomy 22:5 (part one)

Writing on Deuteronomy 22:5 isn't my favorite activity. However, it is one of the those truths under attack in our culture. It becomes a practical squeaky wheel. Therefore, I keep applying the oil. As it applies to this particular issue, I like this quote from Martin Luther (Luther’s Works, St.L. ed., vol. 9, pg. 825):

When the devil has persuaded us to surrender one article of faith to him, he has won; in effect he has all of them, and Christ is already lost. He can at will unsettle and take all others, for they are all intertwined and linked together like a golden chain so that if one link is broken, the entire chain is broken and can be pulled apart. There is no article which the devil cannot overthrow once he has succeeded in having reason dabble in doctrine and speculate about it. Reason knows how to turn and twist Scripture in a masterly fashion into conformity with its views. This is very agreeable, like sweet poison.

This isn't a difficult issue. Deuteronomy 22:5 isn't hard to understand. It isn't even hard to apply in our culture. However, like many other issues, it becomes difficult because of the pressure of this world system in which we reside. What men have done to Deuteronomy 22:5 reminds me of what they also do with 1 Corinthians 11:3 among other verses. Theologians go back into history and etymology to define "head" as "source" instead of "authority over" (an article that deals with this issue, and another). They do this to support an egalitarian society without male headship, removing distinctions in role between men and women.

In the case of Deuteronomy 22:5 men use the same types of arguments . I think they're even worse. They simply speculate the intention of the biblical text. God prohibits women from putting on the male garment and men from putting on the female garment, but instead the intention was to avoid Canaanite worship rituals or to stop women from impersonating men for purposes of seduction, or if those don't work, to keep women from attempting to join the military. All of those read into the text something that isn't there.

I believe that the intention of the text of Deuteronomy 22:5 is interesting. However, what we're guessing was the intention could not be the intention if it changes the plain meaning of the words and syntax of the verse itself. You can't start getting into intention until you understand what the verse is saying. Nothing in the surrounding context of the verse will help us understand the intent. Explaining a probable intention after understanding the meaning of the verse could help someone who doesn't wish to obey the verse. It could help someone comprehend why God would say someone is an abomination. However, we shouldn't allow possible intent to alter the clear meaning of the verse. I believe what men are doing is what Jesus warned the Pharisees about in Mark 7:13:

Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Pharisees didn't just teach for doctrines the commandments of men (Mk 7:7). They also made the Word of God of none effect. Many professing Christians want to make Deuteronomy 22:5 of none effect. They don't like the law. It embarrasses them before the world. So they nullify it with all sorts of strained hermeneutical ploys. Know what? You can chop the verse up however you want to. You're still responsible to keep it. And don't tell me you love God if you won't.

How Men Have Understood Deuteronomy 22:5

Here are some commentators and their understanding of this plain verse.

Barnes' Notes were published in 1884-1885, and it states,

[D]istinctions between sexes is natural and divinely established, and cannot be neglected without indecorum and consequent danger to purity (cf. 1 Cor. 11:3-15).

Keil and Delitzsch, foremost Hebrew scholars, wrote:

As the property of a neighbor was to be sacred in the estimation of an Israelite, so also the divine distinction of the sexes, which was kept sacred in civil life by the clothes peculiar to each sex, was to be not less but even more sacredly observed. There shall not be man's things upon a woman, and a man shall not put on a woman's clothes.

Pulpit Commentary states,

[T]his is an ethical regulation in the interest of morality. . . . Whatever tends to obliterate the distinction between sexes tends to licentiousness, and that the one sex should assume the dress of the other has always been regarded as unnatural and indecent.

Lange's Commentary reads,

The distinction between the sexes is natural and established by God in their creation, and any neglect or violation of that distinction, even in the externals, not only leads to impurity, but involve (sic) the infraction of the law of God.

Louis Entzminger wrote in 1936,

Notice v. 5 (Deuteronomy 22), forbidding women to wear male attire. This law was given to preserve the distinction of the sexes which was established at the creation of male and female.

Joseph Excell wrote in 1849, as recorded in The Biblical Illustrator: Deuteronomy:

God thought womanly attire of enough importance to have it discussed in the Bible. Just in proportion as the morals of a country or an age are depressed is that law defied. Show me the fashion-plates of any century from the time of the Deluge to this, and I will tell you the exact state of public morals. Ever and anon we have imported from France, or perhaps invented on this side of the sea, a style that proposes as far as possible to make women dress like men. The costumes of the countries are different, and in the same country may change, but there is a divinely ordered dissimilarity which must be forever observed. . . . In my text, as by a parable, it is made evident that Moses, the inspired writer, as vehemently as ourselves, reprehends the effeminate man and the masculine woman.

In a sermon entitled, "The Sinfulness of Strange Apparel," Puritan preacher Vincent Alsop said in the mid 17th Century:

Nothing can justly pretend to be lawful ornament, which takes away the distinction which God has put between the two sexes.—That law, Deut xxii. 5, is of moral equity and perpetual obligation: . . . That which pertaineth, keli—The word signifies any "vessel, instrument, utensil, garment, or ornament," military or civil, used for the discrimination of the sex: so Ainsworth (In Pentateuchum). . . . God therefore will have the distinction between the sexes inviolably observed in the outward apparel. . . . What particular form of apparel shall distinguish the one sex from the other, must be determined by the custom of particular countries; provided that those customs do not thwart some general law of God, the rule of decency, the ends of the apparel, or the directions of scripture.

Matthew Poole wrote in 1560,

Now this (a woman wearing a man's garment) is forbidden, partly for decency's sake, that men might not confound nor seem to confound those sexes which God hath distinguished, that all appearance of evil might be avoided, such change of garments carrying a manifest umbrage or sign of softeness and effeminacy in a man, of arrogance and impudency in the woman, of lightness and petulancy in both, and partly to cut off all suspicions and occasions of evil, which this practice opens wide door unto.

Jewish scholar Samson Raphael Hirsch wrote in 1966:

It seems to us that it is clear that, according to this way of taking the prohibition, is not so much disguising one's sex by dressing in female clothes as forbidding each sex that which is more specifically pertaining to the nature of the opposite one. A man is just as little to get himself up with powder and paint and lipstick, etc.; which is all quite in order for women to do, and is in accordance with feminine nature, as a woman is to appear in a profession which belongs to the nature of men.

The Jewish Publication Society Commentary: Deuteronomy, states,

"Put on a man's apparel," Literally, "a man's keli may not be on a woman." The translation "apparel" makes this clause synonymous with the second part of the verse; it is based on the fact that the plural of keli means "clothing" in rabbinic Hebrew. . . . The halakhah combines both views: women may not wear armor or clothing, hairdos, or other adornments that are characteristic of men, not may men wear what is characteristic of women (what is characteristic of each sex is defined by local practice).

Walter C. Kaiser, who has a tremendous handle of the Old Testament law, writes concerning Deuteronomy 22:5,

The maintenance of the sanctity of the sexes established by God in the created order is the foundation for this legislation, and not opposition to idolatrous practices of the heathen. The tendency to obliterate all sexual distinctions often leads to licentiousness and promotes unnaturalness opposed to God's created order. Such a problem can arise in contemporary culture when unisex fashions are aimed at producing the bland person in a progressive desexualization of men and women. Thus, this provision aims mainly at one's clothes as an indication of one's sex.

Baptist Commentary says,

The text teaches that Israel was to maintain a clear-cut distinction between the sexes. It was, thus, necessary that clothing, as well as other things, which pertained to one, must not be utilized by the other.

The Wycliffe Bible Commentary says,

It is this fundamental principle which underlies the opening requirement of this section (i.e., of Deut. 22) that the distinction between man and woman should not be blurred by the one's appropriating the characteristic articles of the other (Deut. 22:5).

Davis' Dictionary of the Bible reads,

By the Mosaic law a man was forbidden to wear a garment that pertains to a woman, and a woman to wear that belonging to a man (Deut. Xxii.5; cp. 1 Cor. Xi. 6, 14).

J. Ridderbos in the Bible Student's Commentary: Deuteronomy, states,

The wearing of clothes of the opposite sex is forbidden.

Fred H. Wright in Manners and Customs of Bible Lands, writes,

The law of Moses forbade a man to wear a woman's clothing and a woman to wear a man's clothing (Deuteronomy 22:5).

Merrill Unger says,

While the costume of men and women was very similar, there was an easily recognizable distinction between the male and female attire of the Israelites, and accordingly Mosaic law forbids men to wear women's clothes, and vice versa (Deuteronomy 22:5).

Jack S. Deere on "Deuteronomy" in The Bible Knowledge Commentary, writes,

The same Hebrew word translated "detests" (toebah, lit., "a detestable thing;" KJV, "an abomination") is used to describe God's view of homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13). . . . Since this law was related to the divine order of Creation and since God detests anyone who does this, believers today ought to heed this command.

For those who try to make "intention" guide the actual meaning of the verse, we have these commentators.

Jewish rabbi, Rabbi Tilson, reports what the Jewish literature says about this position:

Some commentators have noted, however, that this understanding as explained by Rashi and the Shulhan Arukh does not seem to be based on the language of the verse. If the Torah had wanted to prohibit men from going out among women in women's dress it could have said that. This context of social mixing of men and women is imposed on the verse.

Earl S. Kalland writes in the Expositor's Bible Commentary:

The prohibition against a woman wearing the habiliments of a man and of a man wearing the clothing of woman can scarcely refer to transvestism . . . evidence for religious transvestism in ancient Canaanite religion is not conclusive.

More to Come. I'll be showing that this is the historic application of Deuteronomy 22:5.

15 comments:

philipian2511 said...

I for one really appreciate this Brother Brandenburg.

I too really do believe that the Bible makes it clear that we are to be gender distinct.

You present a clear and logical argument without having to resort to ad hominem attacks.

I can't wait to see what your detractors have to say in rebuttal to your appeals. Sounds sick I know. But, they (your detractors) are pretty hilarious. Makes for cheap entertainment. Sorry.

Thanks Pastor.

Respectfully Submitted,

Bro Steve

Gal. 2:20

Anonymous said...

Hello Pastor,

I was curious on how long a skirt or dress must be and why? Also, are tank tops(not the spaghetti strap ones) immodest?

Kent Brandenburg said...

Hello Anonymous,

I haven't dealt with the issue of modesty here. This is about the designed gender distinctions in dress. If you want to talk about something different than the post, email me at betbapt at flash dot net.

gary said...

Kent,

My main comment is on your other Deuteronomy article, but I just wanted to say that you need to stop saying that those who disagree with your interpretation are in disobedience. You first need to prove your position. Then you can judge.


Bro Steve,

If you ask nicely, I'll bet pastor Kent will give you his autogragh.

I'm glad that you think the other side is hilarious. I've found a few from your side that are pretty funny too.

That is why I like pastor Kent, he is one of the very few from your side that talks with some wisdom and not pure women in pants are going to hell hate. I've got to go for now, so God bless.

Kent Brandenburg said...

Gary,

Don't you think that your "autograph" comment is inappropriate? Perhaps Steve just agrees with the position.

I don't have it in me to laugh at any position that contradicts a scriptural position. Maybe I should be able to laugh. God will laughs at his detractors in the end.

The position I take is a historic one that has already been proven for centuries. It has not been replaced or shown to be found wanting. It is what the passage says. Most just ignore it today and usually mock those who practice it. I believe that anyone violating it is disobeying it. I can't believe it and think otherwise.

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus said...

Gary, I think Dr. Brandenburger has more than proven his point, both from Scripture and from history. Further, I think that you just don't want to see it, and therefore don't.

This being said, a woman wearing pants and cutting her hair short is in disobedience to God, regardless of whether you chose to believe this or not.

philipian2511 said...

Perhaps a re statement is in order here. I read the blog a lot. I side with Dr Brandenburg because he happens to be (IMO) the most well versed/read individual regarding these issues.

The reason why is simple. He states his case provides supporting arguments and doesn't resort to personal attacks as some of his detractors commonly do.

I am not trying to inflate Dr Brandenburg. He is as much a sinner as I am, probably not as bad a one as I but the fact remains. If anything I glorify God because He saved and sanctified the man.

If I laugh, it is in astonishment. I am surprised at how hard some people work to justify the way they live despite the fact that it runs contrary to the Bible. If I were in the same position as one of his detractors and read what he posted, then I would at least do some "leg work" to find out whether or not he was in error. Most ,and I do say most, choose against this. They'd rather fling mud. Don't get me wrong there are those on this side of the camp that are guilty of the same.

Finally Titus stated it just as well.

I love you in the Lord Gary and I hope that I have not offended you in any measure.

Respectfully Submitted

Bro Steve

Gal. 2:20

Gary said...

Kent,

Buuut dad, he called me hilarius. Just kidding. I think that Bro Steve and I may not agree on this issue, but we have a mutual brotherly love toward each other. We might even have the same bad sense of humour. If I try and fail to make a joke. Please forgive me. I never seek to offend.

I'm looking forward to your part two were you bring in the historical applications.

Titus,

I say this respectfully, because I think that you are getting this blog confused with another. Dr. Kent has not proven anything from scripture or history or even mentioned anything on this site yet. Only commentators. I think that the proving will be in part two.

If you want to honestly see where I'm coming from, take a look at his June 8th Deuteronomy 22:5 post.
I think that Dr. kent started the article, because of that discussion.

To all,

Let's try something different. Let's look at the text in plain English and not try to assume anything. No Idolitry, sexual sin's, specific garments ( because that would be assuming), etc.

A woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all those that do so are abomination unto the LORD your God.

Now let's look at 1 Corinthians 9:19-23
For though I be free from all men,
yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law,(being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak become as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

Ok, we are ambassador here on Earth in a country called America.
In this culture the costomary clothing for man is male pants and suits. The females in this country wear dresses, and a garment called women's pant's which are slightly different from the male's, but you can tell the two sexes apart.

Without assuptions this becomes clear doesn't it? God Bless.

Gary said...

Kent,

One more thing. I was
looking over our past discussion and realized that you said plain meaning, not plain text.
As I showed before and that you admitted to, you are assuming what the meaning is. You don't know 100% what the meaning is. Since you are taking an educated guess just like the other bible scholars from the other side who use scripture to back up what they say. Why do you alude that scripture only agrees with your interpretation. The others have solid scriptual points.
Remember God and his words are infallible, your conclusions are not.
I really think that you need to be more humble and stop calling those who honestly seek the Lord disobedient when your interpretation is far from flawless. God bless.

Kent Brandenburg said...

Gary,

I'm making no assumptions on the meaning. The meaning is clear. The only way to avoid it is to read into the text. I believe the application is clear too. With that in mind, I believe many disobey the verse. It isn't more humble to say otherwise.

Gary said...

KENT,

You are making an assumption on the meaning and you are reading into the text. You think(not know)
that pertaineth means a specific distinct garment. a lot of Jewish scholars with as much if not more Hebrew knowledge, disagree with you. You mention on the other blog a number of commentators that share your opinion, but it is not a majority opinion. You mentioned that only two of them link 1 Cor. 11 with Deuteronomy 22:5, so there goes your authority/clothes argument. The Job argument doesn't work, because the male and female garments themselves
could be simular, but not distinct. The difference could be in the belt (pertaineth connection)that the man used to gird up. Maybe it was immodest for the woman to gird up.

You have not put out your historical part two yet, but I think that your history is going to go back only a few centuries, due to the fact that ancient history does not support your opinion.

Let's look at just a few of the Church's infalllible positions of the past:

Church assumes that because because of Genesis that the universe rotates around the Earth.
Wrong.

I guess John Calvin was showing his "loving his neighbor" compassion when he shed tears as his victims were burned.

Churches used Scripture to justify slavery.
Wrong.

Churches took scripture out of context to say that marriage between to ethnic groups (even when both were Christian) to be wrong. I thought that we all came from Adam and Eve, thus we are the same race.
Those Churches were wrong.

I could give many more examlpes, but you get my point.

Once again you have to admit that your interpretation of the meaning and application is not without assumptions. The scriptures and history do not fully support your opinion.

To all,

Did I stump you guys on my ambassador example. I have not seen a response. God Bless.

Kent Brandenburg said...

Gary,

I'm going to be really up front with you. Awhile ago, you entered the realm of the ridiculous in this discussion. If someone doesn't comment on your so-called 2 Cor 5 argument, it is from sheer exhaustion. It doesn't make any sense. 2 Cor 5 doesn't say anything about dress. Let me give you another example.

I told you that only two of the commentators I quoted did not say anything in particular about a particular distinct, distinguishing garment. And in this comment you tell me that I said that only two of my commentators make a connection between 1 Cor 11 and Deut 22. I've never said that. I haven't looked at those commentators to see if they have made that connection. I remember other men making the connection. I haven't look to see who. Why would they? It's easy to see that both passages are about distinctions in specific articles of clothing between men and women.

Another example is your John Calvin "argument," when you wrote, "I guess John Calvin was showing his 'loving his neighbor'. . . ." above. Nobody has said anything about John Calvin here or has justified anything he has done wrong. It relates zero to this issue.

Deut 22:5 indicates that male and female garments were distinct. It isn't a verse about their similarity. The point isn't to wear something similar.

The Job verses do work because God Himself says that a certain type of dress is "as a man," showing the existence of a particular, male-only dress. That backs up what we see in Dt 22:5 and 1 Cor 11:3-14.

I'll put up the historic application material and that will be it for awhile on this subject.

Gary said...

Kent,

I seem to be anoying you, so out of respect to you, unless you or anyone else has any questions or comments for me, this will probably be my last post here.

I don't have a so called argument with 2 Cor 5. I've never used this verse. The verse was in 1 Cor 9 and my example using it makes perfect sense in light of this discussion.

I apoligize for misreading your commentators comment to me. Like I said before, I'll be looking at them this weekend.

Since in the last blog you did not have supporting ancient historical evidence for your position and only mentioned that when pants first came out for women that the church was against it. That is why I brought up some of the mistakes that the church has made and John Calvin. I honestly thought that you would see what I was doing there.

Here are a few final comments:

1. Job 38:3 the girding up is an action of the man, not dress of the man. You can read the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible commentary to help understand this verse.

2. Sorry to repeat,but their is no male garment mentioned in 1 Cor. 11, only his uncovered head, thus proving my point in regards to authority. (refer to the June 8th article for new people.)

3. I honestly don't understand how you can still say that you are not assuming and that scriptures support you. Dr. Kent, honestly you cannot say that their is no assumptions on your part in regards to the meaning. I have shown your assumptions and the scriptures that you use are not that supportive. ( I say this with respect) Having a closed mind is not a sign of righteousness. Saying something is obvious and clear, does not make it so. I do not think that your argument would hold up in a court of law here on Earth or in Heaven.

I showed that on the other blog that I was honestly seeking and how I searched. When I thought I was wrong I made the necessary changes within my family. When in the end I did not reach the same conclusions as you, I allowed my girls to wear pants again. I would hope that you would be as open in your studies.

I thank you for your time this past month. May God bless you and your family.

Bill Schell, Jr. said...

God clearly wants a distinction between the sexes in how they dress. God uses the word "abomination." If God HATES something AND if we love God, then we are not going to see how close we can play the line. We will stay away from it entirely, if He is our Lord. There is this issue about women's pants being different than men's pants. What I have observed is that women's pants are tighter and in other ways more immodest than men's pants. (Of course dresses can be immodest also.) The question is this: If I love God, how close do I want to come to offending my Lord and Savior?

Anonymous said...

Hi,

I just think God is not stupid. Everyone concentrates on this verse from deuteronomy.
Some people think women should not wear men´s clothes and vice versa. But why don´t they follow what God says in other verses?
Like in those about ill people? Or Deuteronomy 22:11,12? That people should not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together? Or that people should make tassels on the four corners of the ´cloak´ they wear? I think they should be purple or something.

So why do they follow teachings from only selected verses ( note now it is the one which is somehow the hardest to follow )? Just tell me this, because I see women oh so devoted to wearing only skirts but I haven´t seen them having those tassels. Or I haven´t seen them outside the town when they should be, as the old testament say. You know what I mean.

Remember Jesus? He talked about King David, breaking the law or rule about saturday ( remember what God said about those who break His rules )? Or do you remember that Jesus broke the rule about saturday, too?
They broke it because in their case it was all right to break it, without sin. There was some reason why they could.
So, if women can´t wear men´s clothes, don´t you think that according to Jesus there would be some exceptions? And also a reason behind them?
Don´t you think the reason was love?

I personally think it is all right for a woman to wear men´s clothes if she is not intending to be a man. I think deuteronomy 22:5 is against transvestites and in the past, even people who didn´t intend to pretend they are different gender, had to obey to avoid misleading.

And by the way, the bible doesn´t say which clothes are for men and which for women. Someone in the past said trousers are for men and later perhaps Coco said they are also for women. So what is and isn´t for whom?

I would just like to know if you all have tassels on your clothes and if you also do other things from deuteronomy.

And btw, in deuteronomy 21:14 He talks about leting a wife go, which in NT He explained He allowed for a reason, but also said it was not the best solution, it was for their bad heart.

I just remember that everything is summed up first in love to God ( which is also obeying Him ) and then love to neighbour. But from God´s side,that He loves us.
I believe there are His reasons behind His rules. And as I said, He is not stupid.