Sam Horn, Executive Vice President for Enrollment and Ministerial Advancement, Dean of the School of Religion and the Seminary at Bob Jones University, moves to head John MacArthur's Master's Seminary. Steve Pettit, president of BJU, makes a positive public statement about it. He meets with John MacArthur and speaks well of it. Maybe Bob Jones has a new constituency in conservative evangelicalism and John MacArthur has a new possibility better than the Southern Baptists with their deep problems right now.
The Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International, closely aligned with Bob Jones University through the years, and full of Bob Jones grads in its leadership, had made statements of separation from MacArthur in the past, that had not been rescinded. They decide to remain mute now. At the same time, BJU brings Cary Schmidt to its Bible Conference, many years on staff at Lancaster Baptist Church with Paul Chappell, and further contemporary and pragmatic even than West Coast and Chappell.
Before I move on from the various situations, I can go further. Matt Redman is a longtime partner of Hillsong United, Bethel Music, and a Joyce Meyer Ministries worship leader. He just led the chapel worship of Master's College. He's the strange fire John MacArthur and others would preach against, the gateway to Charismatic false worship.
John Wilkerson, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN, still unrepentant of what Jack Hyles taught, leaves the statues of Hyles, sells his books in their bookstore, and preached with the president of the FBFI, Kevin Schaal, at the Van Gelderen's Victory Conference in Menominee Falls March 2-5, 2020. I'm not sure that the FBFI every said anything was wrong with Hyles's doctrine. I read tests for the practice of separation for fundamentalists. What does all of the above mean for fundamentalists?
The Fundamental Baptist Fellowship International, closely aligned with Bob Jones University through the years, and full of Bob Jones grads in its leadership, had made statements of separation from MacArthur in the past, that had not been rescinded. They decide to remain mute now. At the same time, BJU brings Cary Schmidt to its Bible Conference, many years on staff at Lancaster Baptist Church with Paul Chappell, and further contemporary and pragmatic even than West Coast and Chappell.
Before I move on from the various situations, I can go further. Matt Redman is a longtime partner of Hillsong United, Bethel Music, and a Joyce Meyer Ministries worship leader. He just led the chapel worship of Master's College. He's the strange fire John MacArthur and others would preach against, the gateway to Charismatic false worship.
John Wilkerson, the pastor of First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN, still unrepentant of what Jack Hyles taught, leaves the statues of Hyles, sells his books in their bookstore, and preached with the president of the FBFI, Kevin Schaal, at the Van Gelderen's Victory Conference in Menominee Falls March 2-5, 2020. I'm not sure that the FBFI every said anything was wrong with Hyles's doctrine. I read tests for the practice of separation for fundamentalists. What does all of the above mean for fundamentalists?
As a disclaimer, I claim not to be a fundamentalist. In order to obey what scripture teaches on the doctrine of separation, which is all over the Bible, it can't be practiced like a fundamentalist. What is occurring today with fundamentalism in the examples above relates to the weakness or unscriptural nature of fundamentalism. We're going to give an account for obedience to God and His Word, not whether we've been a fundamentalist or not. The emphasis of fundamentalism has been parachurch organizations, like Bob Jones University, which brings confusion to the belief and practice of biblical separation.
Fundmentalism is known for separation. It marks fundamentalism. Scriptural separation is not so difficult to understand. The Bible lays out what, why, and how in and for separation. Fundamentalism separates, but never practiced biblical separation. For that reason, the history of fundamentalism is one of confused and distorted separation. When I have defended fundamentalism, it is because it does separate over right doctrine and practice. Separation preserved fundamentalism and its erosion will also end it.
Was the separation of fundamentalism ever right? Fundamentalism taught it. They punished those who didn't comply. Should fundamentalists have separated from John MacArthur as they once did? Some are saying, No. What is the juxtaposition of Carey Schmidt and John MacArthur? That doesn't make any sense, and probably more for MacArthur than BJU. I'm not going to keep asking questions. First Baptist in Hammond has never repented over the theology of Jack Hyles. When it keeps up his statue, it accepts the non repentance over the other well-documented things. There are just too many issues and situations here to either unwind, wind back up, put back in the bottle, or whatever metaphor works.
I actually see a circle in my mind. It goes like this. You tell me if I'm wrong. I'm going to start with Jack Hyles. Jack Hyles - John Wilkerson - Kevin Schaal - Wayne Van Gelderen - Paul Chappell - Carey Schmidt - Bob Jones - Steve Pettit - Sam Horn - John MacArthur - Matt Redman - Hillsong and Bethel Music.
I'm not talking about degrees of separation: first, second, third degree. I'm talking about how any of this could fit together. It shouldn't. For the sake of biblical doctrine of practice, for the sake of God Himself, someone should say, No. At some point, someone can't cast a blind eye. There's actually more than what I've written here, but this is all bad for quality control. Someone needs to do some explaining. Let me explain just a little.
Bob Jones separates from John MacArthur and now it doesn't. A step needs to be taken. If you don't believe in separation from MacArthur, then explain that from the Bible. If you are Bob Jones and you still believe in separation, then explain why the change. Explain why you were wrong before and you are right now. If not, then it looks like your feeder churches aren't feeding enough, and you are just making a pragmatic move to increase the potential feed. I could say the same thing for why the girls are now wearing tight blue jeans on campus. That was wrong too at one time, but now isn't. People can remember these things.
There are a lot of differences between these various groups of people. Is anyone right in all this? I don't believe any of them are right. Some are better than others, but all of them are wrong. Bob Jones and all of these others are being tested for the practice of the doctrine of separation. I would be interested in their explanation for how they are obeying the Bible in doing what they are doing.
Was the separation of fundamentalism ever right? Fundamentalism taught it. They punished those who didn't comply. Should fundamentalists have separated from John MacArthur as they once did? Some are saying, No. What is the juxtaposition of Carey Schmidt and John MacArthur? That doesn't make any sense, and probably more for MacArthur than BJU. I'm not going to keep asking questions. First Baptist in Hammond has never repented over the theology of Jack Hyles. When it keeps up his statue, it accepts the non repentance over the other well-documented things. There are just too many issues and situations here to either unwind, wind back up, put back in the bottle, or whatever metaphor works.
I actually see a circle in my mind. It goes like this. You tell me if I'm wrong. I'm going to start with Jack Hyles. Jack Hyles - John Wilkerson - Kevin Schaal - Wayne Van Gelderen - Paul Chappell - Carey Schmidt - Bob Jones - Steve Pettit - Sam Horn - John MacArthur - Matt Redman - Hillsong and Bethel Music.
I'm not talking about degrees of separation: first, second, third degree. I'm talking about how any of this could fit together. It shouldn't. For the sake of biblical doctrine of practice, for the sake of God Himself, someone should say, No. At some point, someone can't cast a blind eye. There's actually more than what I've written here, but this is all bad for quality control. Someone needs to do some explaining. Let me explain just a little.
Bob Jones separates from John MacArthur and now it doesn't. A step needs to be taken. If you don't believe in separation from MacArthur, then explain that from the Bible. If you are Bob Jones and you still believe in separation, then explain why the change. Explain why you were wrong before and you are right now. If not, then it looks like your feeder churches aren't feeding enough, and you are just making a pragmatic move to increase the potential feed. I could say the same thing for why the girls are now wearing tight blue jeans on campus. That was wrong too at one time, but now isn't. People can remember these things.
There are a lot of differences between these various groups of people. Is anyone right in all this? I don't believe any of them are right. Some are better than others, but all of them are wrong. Bob Jones and all of these others are being tested for the practice of the doctrine of separation. I would be interested in their explanation for how they are obeying the Bible in doing what they are doing.
For you, anonymous, who wrote four comments, and told me you didn't want any of them published, apology accepted, but I wanted you to know that Jack Hyles didn't start King James Onlyism. I've heard no one say that. Both those who favor KJVO and those against will not say that it arose from Jack Hyles.
ReplyDeleteAt the blog of the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary, Bill Combs traces it back to Dean John Burgon in England starting in 1881. He writes a long series on this here in order:
https://dbts.edu/2012/03/09/beginning-of-kjv-only-movement/
https://dbts.edu/2012/03/14/dean-burgon-father-of-the-kjv-only-movement/
https://dbts.edu/2012/03/21/dean-burgon-and-the-revised-version/
https://dbts.edu/2012/03/28/the-kjv-only-movement-comes-to-america/
https://dbts.edu/2012/04/03/the-modern-kjv-only-movement/
I saw that I actually had the links to the Combs series in this post I wrote:
https://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/2012/04/actual-history-of-king-james-onlyism.html