tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post8365060805554200532..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: College for Church Kids, pt. 2Kent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-11667570398809708372018-05-07T18:01:31.658-07:002018-05-07T18:01:31.658-07:00When God inspired His Word, and then gave it out t...When God inspired His Word, and then gave it out to the believers, what method did He use? Did He call upon churches to send their “best and brightest” to some centralized location so that they could receive the Word? Did He admonish them that they needed someone special to explain the Scriptures to them because their pastors were incapable of doing the job? Absolutely not! The Scriptures were written exclusively to local churches, and it became the responsibility of these churches and pastors to not only reproduce them for the ministry, but also to expound upon them for their congregations. Paul commanded that the epistle to Colossae be read also in the church of the Laodiceans. Why? Because it was Paul’s intent that Biblical instruction take place in God’s institution, the Ecclesia.<br /><br />The church should be the only place where the bible is taught and the the training for the ministry is taken place. Not colleges. However there should be fundamental baptist technical, trade and liberal arts believing colleges that are of our beliefs who hold to our doctrines but without bible, pastoral, theology, evangelism, missions or anything ministry or bible related taught or taken there. It should be owned, directed and under the responsibility of a ceo and family or multiple families who are of the unaffiliated fundamental baptist beliefs who are true born again committed and very faithful to church and committed Christian families who have the time. Each and every teacher who teaches at the school must also hold to unaffiliated Independent Baptist beliefs who agree with and stand for the fundamental beliefs with true doctrinal convictions and standards from the Bible who faithfully attend and serve in an Unaffiliated baptist church. They must be live committed Gody lives. The same for the students who attend the school. They must also be born again committed church members of an Independent Baptist Church and serve in their church.<br /><br />These liberal art as well as technical/trade Independent Fundamental Christian colleges should exist for those who want to teach certain subjects in liberal arts in a Christian atmosphere and left exclusively for those who are faithful to church of the fundamental baptist beliefs as well as for students who want to learn and pursue certain careers outside of the ministry but under the teachings of those who are fundamental baptist who live the same lives. The bible classes that are required towards that major will not be taken at the college. Nothing ministry or bible related should be taught or taken at the school. It will be taught at and be left exclusively to your church under your pastor and his authority and teaching. Everything from being a pastor, assistant pastor, youth pastor, evangelist, missionary, church planter and anything related with the ministry or bible is left and should be left exclusively under the authority of your local new testament church (Acts 20:28, Eph 4:11-16, 2 Timothy 4:2, 1 Peter 5:1-4) which is the pillar and ground of the truth!Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03531245882904651111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-63204142402478020172018-05-07T18:01:18.153-07:002018-05-07T18:01:18.153-07:00The Bible clearly states that parents were given r...The Bible clearly states that parents were given responsibility to bring their children up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, but what happens when that child is grown, and able to make his own decisions? The answer from the Scriptures is that the local church has the only the responsibility to carry out God’s teaching for and preparing for the ministry. I Timothy 3:15 calls the assembly “the pillar and ground of the truth”. The word pillar indicates that the church is to be holding up and displaying the truth. Since Christ in His high priestly prayer stated “Thy Word is truth” (John 17:17), the focus of the church is to be proclaiming and revealing the Bible. This doesn't just entail a teaching ministry for the members and saints who aren't called to serve in ministry; but also includes those who are called by God in order to prepare for the ministry. When Christ gave His Great Commission to the church, He mentioned not only evangelism and baptism, but also “teaching them to observe all things whatsoever things I have commanded you” (Matt. 28:20). This would mean that the assembly not only has the ability, but also the obligation, to give instruction to its members in all areas of the Scriptures. Service in the local church as members to proclaim the Gospel but also for the service and preparing for the ministry to those God is calling to serve full time whether it be in their local church in some capacity, church planting or on the foreign field.<br /><br />In I Corinthians 4:17, Paul stated that he was sending Timothy to the church in Corinth to “bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.” Paul clearly shows here that his teaching ministry was not done through colleges or conferences, but through assemblies. It is good to observe that Paul did not instruct the Corinthian believers to come to him. He did not set up shop in Antioch and expect those desiring to go on in service for the Lord to leave their homes and churches in order to be instructed by him. Instead, he sent Timothy to the assembly to teach in the assembly the same things that Paul was teaching.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03531245882904651111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-86579420144447496152012-04-27T06:32:33.768-07:002012-04-27T06:32:33.768-07:00Also, someone who teaches Greek properly will teac...Also, someone who teaches Greek properly will teach the students to both carefully and painstakingly exegete the Scriptures and also powerfully and experientially apply them. In my second year and third year Greek classes the men have to take a passage they have diagrammed in Greek and preach a message from it, and as we go through passages, not only interpretation and exegesis, but also application, is made a model and taught. Students of Greek should be closer to the Lord after taking the class and stronger Christans and Baptists as a result, not the other way around--and careful study of God's Word tends that way (John 17:17).Thomas Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-3668011812004202202012-04-27T06:23:15.214-07:002012-04-27T06:23:15.214-07:00Dear Bro Rodgers,
In addition to the fact that th...Dear Bro Rodgers,<br /><br />In addition to the fact that the church is the one to teach the truth, I would also think that someone who is committed to transdenominational Protestantism, a corrupt Bible, and the other errors you mentioned, has without question had severe failures in his training for the ministry. I don't believe the alternatives are parachurch Bible college or secular school, and one must pick the one or the other.Thomas Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-87171030628182784712012-04-26T12:18:27.685-07:002012-04-26T12:18:27.685-07:00I'm pretty much in agreement with Pastors Bran...I'm pretty much in agreement with Pastors Brandenburg and Webb on this topic, although I am certainly sympathetic to the concerns presented by Thomas. I went to BJ for my B.S., and attended a secular university (Clemson) for my M.S. In my program (computer science), I didn't have to deal with a lot of the things that would be discussed in other fields of study, so I was still reasonably insulated from a lot of what Thomas experienced. I stayed away from the social scene at Clemson, and had my own apartment, and attended independent, fundamental churches. My experience overall was not bad, and I was going to have to deal with the world eventually, but I had the support of good churches.<br /><br />I pretty much thought my kids would follow a similar path (Christian school first), but I have come around pretty much to the thinking in this post. My oldest is in her first year of college, and she is attending a secular school in Europe, but lives and attends church with family. Plus, because of things like Skype, we speak with her for hours each week. She did have to bail out of one shared writing assignment with a group because of the topics they were writing about, and that probably cost her in the grade department, but I'm glad she was able to explain why she did what she did. (From what she told me later, only one group in the class ended up with the assignment being not R-rated or worse, and that was not her group.) However, even with this experience, which she would not have had at a place like BJ, I prefer that she have the support of Christian family and a good church in a state school rather than being part of a school like BJ where they control a lot more and act "in loco parentis." Kids have to go into the world eventually, and it's a bigger shock when they haven't been let into it gradually with parental and church support.David Barnhartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-57843870440011028732012-04-26T11:48:18.871-07:002012-04-26T11:48:18.871-07:00By the way, I believe all Biblical teaching should...By the way, I believe all Biblical teaching should be under the authority of the church, the real, local and visible kind.Thomas Rosshttp://sites.google.com/site/thross7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-77484660097140815192012-04-26T08:03:59.206-07:002012-04-26T08:03:59.206-07:00A few more thoughts...
If Christian colleges simp...A few more thoughts...<br /><br />If Christian colleges simply taught English, Math, Science, Trades from a Christian perspective and left the theology and ministry philosphy to God's ordained institution for this dispensation, the local church, I might not have a problem...but they don't!<br /><br />You might say, "they are just trying to help the local church." My experience is that is talk only. As was mentioned earlier, the parents and pastor are to bow to their doctrine. Most operate with budgets many times larger than local churches, which are funded by, you guessed it, local churches and their members. Most are more concerned with building plush dorms, huge auditoriums with high end audio/visual equipment and screens, that easily convert to theaters for dramas, Catholic art museums, bowling allies, skating rinks,gymnasiums, tanning facilities and indoor water parks.<br />Here is a test if they really want to be a servant to the local church. Ask them if they would offer online video courses, like Biblical languages, through local churches under the oversight and direction of the pastor. The answer you'll get is NO. "We feel that the student needs to be HERE, so they can be impacted by OUR philosphy and environment. They need to hear OUR chapel speakers, etc." If they wanted to function as a true helps ministry to the local church, this would not be the reaction. <br /><br />Pastors and parents, am I right?Steve Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920334627083544106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-49278833770568634312012-04-26T08:02:35.607-07:002012-04-26T08:02:35.607-07:00Bro. Ross,
You said,
"many of those who ar...Bro. Ross,<br /><br />You said, <br /><br />"many of those who are trained in their own churches to be pastors, etc. don't know the Biblical languages, which greatly hinders their ability to preach expository messages. Many have only a shallow knowledge of Scripture, so that they don't have a theology of sanctification, don't know what it means that the Son of God is eternally begotten or have a good knowledge of the Trinity, and don't know how to carefully exegete<br />Scripture. Exegetical fallacies too often abound."<br /><br />And the parachurch fundamental Christian colleges are the place where these insufficiencies of God's church are corrected? Seems to me that many that train and are trained in them know Biblical languages but yet can't define "ecclesia" properly, even though the Biblical language itself is clear. They can expound a text, just not preach it with application. They know and teach the Greek NT, just the corrupt Greek Texts, and thus, promote the use of corrupt translations. They have a good knowledge of the Trinity alright, God the Father elects some to Heaven, others to Hell. God the Son only atones for those elect, didnt really mean every jot and tittle, and stopped building his church from the 300s to the 1500s. Oh, and God the HS baptizes believers into some mystical invisible ecumenical church and body of Christ. Talk about exegetical fallacies, can anyone say 1 Cor. 12?<br /><br />I for one, find that just as many local church trained men, are just as qualified for ministry, as those that got real "higher" education in a Christian college outside their local church. Both groups need to continue to grow, as do we all, including active pastors and professors who teach Biblical languages in Christian colleges. I find the latter sometimes only see the inadequacies of others' training and feel they have arrived since they can parse. <br /><br />Local church trained men typically have much stronger convictions on the primacy and centrality of the local church and preservation of scripture. They are less loyal to a transdenominational Protestant movement called fundamentalism and more loyal to the Baptist distinctives, particularly the whole NT as the authority, not just 5 essential doctrines. They are much more knowledgeable about Baptist history as opposed to Protestant history. They may not be fluent in Greek and Hebrew, but most active pastors are not either after a couple years out of the Christian college. I may reference a particular greek word from the TR, or perhaps the tense used that is not seen in the KJV, but I don't lead people to Christ with Greek and Hebrew, and I don't ask them to open their TR on Sunday mornings. I agree that ALL men need to continue to study the languages that God gave His Words in, but that can be done in the local church and will be an ongoing study throughout life. Thats where language training resources from as simple as Strongs to as detailed as BibleWorks come into play. To say that to be REALLY qualified, one has to go beyond the local church is dangerously close to intellectual arrogance. I've never sensed that in your previous posts or online material. I find your writing quite a blessing. This post struck a chord, perhaps I am misreading your tone.<br /><br />Regarding Paul & Timothy, Paul was an Apostle who was being given special revelation from God, because the Bible was not yet completed. I don't think equating Paul's instruction of Timothy with the Christian college professors of our day and their "expertise" is wise or valid.<br /><br />An honest question, is the combination of the local church, Word of God, and HS sufficient to train men and women to serve God in this dispensation?Steve Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920334627083544106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-38902546078526149722012-04-25T04:54:55.090-07:002012-04-25T04:54:55.090-07:00Brother Brandenburg,
I wanted to contribute some m...Brother Brandenburg,<br />I wanted to contribute some more to this topic since I believe many pastors & parents are probably interested in it. Of my 3 children, 2 are currently in state universities, & one is working after having attended a local church Bible college for one year, then attending a community college to become a registered nurse (currently works at Duke University Hospital).<br />The experiences my children have had at state schools has been mixed. At one point my son complained to a female English professor because of the discussion she started in a class concerning sexual content in movies. [By the way, if state schools teach ANY grammar, I am not aware of it. I did not have it in the late 1970s & none of my kids have had it.] On the other hand, my son (who regularly participated in class discussion in a history class) was asked by the professor if he believed in "absolute truth." He was then allowed several minutes to give a defense of his faith & of the resurrection of Christ in particular. <br />My youngest daughter goes to a different state university which has a more conservative environment. At the beginning of the year one of her professors encouraged the class that they should attend church while they were in college. She has had heard students talking with each other about what they had read in their daily devotions while walking across campus. She has not met any students who attend a church with the same beliefs & stands like ours, yet.<br />Since neither son or daughter live on campus, they have not had any of the experiences that Thomas mentioned. They come home every day, eat at our table, & discuss what is going on in their lives. This is really no different from someone going to work on any job. They have to deal with the world & unsaved people, but they do so while attending our church & living in a Godly environment. As far as I can see, this is the NT pattern.Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-74610729672506976662012-04-24T10:16:40.549-07:002012-04-24T10:16:40.549-07:00Dear Pastor Brandenburg,
In theory, any unconfess...Dear Pastor Brandenburg,<br /><br />In theory, any unconfessed and unrepented of sin can bring church discipline, so in theory parents sending their kids to a public grade school, etc. so that their kids get devoured could be a church discipline matter, but so could not being consistent in spanking, etc. I don't think that inconsistency in spanking or sending a kid to a public school, while both likely to lead to serious problems in a child's life, are going to get disciplined with anything more than a very snail-like pace with lots and lots and lots of time to improve, vs., say, committing adultery.<br /><br />Pastor Webb,<br /><br />I was in a dorm my first two years at a secular college in MA. I then was at my mom's house for almost a year in San Francisco while going to City College of San Francisco and then UC Berkeley. My mom, who is not saved, told me I needed to move out if I didn't "cool it" by stopping going to church for every service, tithing, etc., so I then moved in with a Christian fraternity house in Berkeley, where I stayed the rest of my time there. It was a neo-evangelical house, but there were probably some true believers there mixed in with some unconverted people. So, during much of my time at Berkeley, I was with at least neo-evangelical Christians.Thomas Rosshttp://sites.google.com/site/thross7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-84282509588897814142012-04-23T23:04:06.504-07:002012-04-23T23:04:06.504-07:00"One problem is that (at either the Christian..."One problem is that (at either the Christian or pagan school), the schools think that the students belong to them & are under their oversight."<br /><br />I have personal direct knowledge that with BJU this problem, at least, is improving, at least somewhat. <br /><br />The question of higher education is very difficult for missionaries for reasons that others might never think about.Jon Gleasonhttp://www.mindrenewers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-37643634901940827172012-04-23T19:01:46.610-07:002012-04-23T19:01:46.610-07:00Thomas,
I also went to a state school & was sa...Thomas,<br />I also went to a state school & was saved but untaught. I lived in the dorm ... but I believe that you are a few years younger than me, and I know that it has gotten much worse since I was in school. After I got into an independent Baptist church & I grew in the Lord, it became unbearable to live in the dorm. I am think that, probably, you were in a dorm. Is that right? I understand all your points. I have come to the conclusion that any college situation where the young person gets 24/7 influence from his peers & teaching away from his parents & church is the most dangerous ... whether it is a "Christian" college or the typical pagan college. Quite frankly, IF I lived near a school like Bob Jones & my children could stay at home & attend all the services at our church, most likely I would send my kids there.<br />One problem is that (at either the Christian or pagan school), the schools think that the students belong to them & are under their oversight. Both do not seem to want the parents to "interfere" with the training the school is providing. Fortunately, when my kids went to Christian schools, the device called the "cell phone" was already developed. My wife & I talked almost daily with our kids, answered questions, & gave advice.Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-91949064577798530222012-04-23T18:16:29.651-07:002012-04-23T18:16:29.651-07:00Thomas,
I also went to a state school & was sa...Thomas,<br />I also went to a state school & was saved but untaught. I lived in the dorm ... but I believe that you are a few years younger than me, and I know that it has gotten much worse since I was in school. After I got into an independent Baptist church & I grew in the Lord, it became unbearable to live in the dorm. I am think that, probably, you were in a dorm. Is that right? I understand all your points. I have come to the conclusion that any college situation where the young person gets 24/7 influence from his peers & teaching away from his parents & church is the most dangerous ... whether it is a "Christian" college or the typical pagan college. Quite frankly, IF I lived near a school like Bob Jones & my children could stay at home & attend all the services at our church, most likely I would send my kids there.<br />One problem is that (at either the Christian or pagan school), the schools think that the students belong to them & are under their oversight. Both do not seem to want the parents to "interfere" with the training the school is providing. Fortunately, when my kids went to Christian schools, the device called the "cell phone" was already developed. My wife & I talked almost daily with our kids, answered questions, & gave advice.Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-73863426525018820482012-04-23T15:18:00.532-07:002012-04-23T15:18:00.532-07:00Thomas,
I was wondering if you might comment here...Thomas,<br /><br />I was wondering if you might comment here on this one. I'll be answering more thoroughly later, but a question for you before I do: would you church discipline a family for sending their children to public school? It would seem that you would need to do that if you believe sending kids to public school is disobedience to scripture. I'll await that answer. I've asked you the question before. <br /><br />As for the rest of this, I had planned to answer the type of points that you made here, so be assured that I would answer them.<br /><br />What I will say now is that I would be more afraid for my kids at BJU or Pensacola than I would having them living in my home, attending our church, and going to a local college.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-68913787573647252872012-04-23T13:00:31.057-07:002012-04-23T13:00:31.057-07:00How qualified one is to make a certain amount of m...How qualified one is to make a certain amount of money depends upon<br />what one's major is. I don't see that as the best argument for making<br />kids defile their minds by reading pornography in the state college.<br />One can make more than the average graduate from Harvard by being an<br />prison guard with a GED at a California prison.<br /><br />By the way, oftentimes the state college is so much into<br />indoctrination into socialism that it doesn't educate at all. People<br />graduate from state colleges with, generally, as documented by the<br />intercollegiate studies institute, a worse knowledge of basic history,<br />etc. than when they left high school. Berkeley was supposed to have<br />the top English program--it was #1, and I was an English major there.<br />But did I learn about English grammar? No. Did I learn to diagram?<br />No--the first time I ever had to diagram a sentence was when I took<br />Greek at Fairhaven Baptist College. Did we at least read good<br />literature? Oftentimes, no--we couldn't read too many dead white<br />males, so we had to read books by women and minorities, even if the<br />books were trash, poorly written, and not worth the paper they were<br />printed on. When we did read classic authors--dead white males--we<br />emphasized whatever was base and vile in their writings, in accordance<br />with an emphasis upon race, class, gender-queer studies, etc. And note<br />that I was trying with all my might to get out of that trash--but it<br />could not be done. So, apart from being defiled, I also had to waste<br />hours, weeks, months, and years on what was useless. Is this really<br />the way to get a good education?<br /><br />In my view, while I can see an individual church training its own<br />people for the ministry, I would also point out that Paul took Timothy<br />out of his own church to train him. Furthermore, many of those who<br />are trained in their own churches to be pastors, etc. don't know the<br />Biblical languages, which greatly hinders their ability to preach<br />expository messages. Many have only a shallow knowledge of Scripture,<br />so that they don't have a theology of sanctification, don't know what<br />it means that the Son of God is eternally begotten or have a good<br />knowledge of the Trinity, and don't know how to carefully exegete<br />Scripture. Exegetical fallacies too often abound. If Paul took<br />Timothy out of his own church so he could get better trained for the<br />ministry, is it unreasonable to say that a church that has people who<br />are well trained and gifted to teach at a very high level can help<br />other churches that don't have that level of people who are well<br />trained and able to teach things such as Biblical langauges?<br /><br />Furthermore, for those who are not called into ministry, why can't<br />they view a school such as a Bob Jones University, with its very<br />serious weaknesses, as a place to have one's guard up? Why would the<br />guard be up in the state college but not up in the weak fundamentalist<br />school, where at least they won't have to read pornography, have<br />people offer to sleep with them, and have a consistent, pounding,<br />constant indoctrination in socialism and atheism? I sought to improve<br />my history and Biblical language knowledge at weak fundamentalist<br />schools such as Baptist Bible College in Clark's Summit, PA and<br />Calvary Lansdale in PA, and my guard was up, and the experience was<br />incomparably better than Berkeley. Nobody offered to sleep with me,<br />and I didn't have to read pornography.Thomas Rosshttp://sites.google.com/site/thross7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-22017928122438578242012-04-23T12:58:54.273-07:002012-04-23T12:58:54.273-07:00Can one avoid "giving heed," in the word...Can one avoid "giving heed," in the words of 1 Timothy, to what is<br />taught in a pagan college, and actually pass the classes and do well?<br />Aren't perpetual brainwashing in anti-Chrstianity a core part of pagan<br />college? Do pagan colleges really claim no authority to teach?<br /><br />It was stated:<br /><br />Many Christian colleges are a worse influence than a state college.<br />Why? One, your young people are exposed to the wrong belief and<br />practice.<br /><br />A pagan, state college has reams more of wrong belief and practice<br />than a Christian college. When I went to U. C. Berkeley, I tried with<br />all my might to avoid everything bad that I could. I still had entire<br />classes that were essentially there to do nothing but indoctrinate me<br />in Marxism and atheism. I was forced to read sexually explicit books<br />with cursing, blasphemy, etc. That was even after I asked to avoid<br />reading such books because of religious objections to them. I had to<br />read such regardless. We were assigned books about lesbian lovers and<br />what they did with each other. My grades were negatively affected<br />because in papers I did not actively promote socialism and filthy<br />pro-sodomy trash. Note I did not say "because I defended the<br />truth"--no, for simply not expressing a positive opinion of sodomy my<br />grades were negatively affected.<br /><br />At Christian schools, are kids forced to read pornography and about<br />lesbians engaging in sodomy?<br /><br />Furthermore, even though I was fighting it all tooth and nail, I was<br />still negatively affected--for evil communications always corrupt good<br />manners, period.<br /><br />In fact, at the state school, the first week I was there, a girl who<br />was not a harlot type, but a normal, typical student, probably better<br />than the average, offered to sleep with me. She wasn't kidding. This<br />was the first week I was there. I also had times when people around<br />me all started busting out with their drugs and starting doing drugs<br />all around me. I am thankful that I didn't join them in the drugs,<br />and I thank God I turned down the offer of an attractive girl who<br />asked me to sleep with her, but I must confess that I would never want<br />a child of mine to have such things happen to him or her at 18 years<br />of age--especially when the Biblical age of responsibility, as seen in<br />the wilderness with Israel, is 20, anyway. That is not to mention the<br />people who got raped. Where are you more likely to have your daughter<br />raped--at the state college, or the weak fundamentalist college?<br />Which is worse, to have to read a neo-evangelical book at the weak<br />fundamentalist school, or to have a high risk of getting raped, have<br />people offer to have sex with you, do drugs all around you, and be<br />forced to read pornography?Thomas Rosshttp://sites.google.com/site/thross7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-20002901277906386252012-04-23T12:55:54.075-07:002012-04-23T12:55:54.075-07:00Dear Pastor Brandenburg,
Greetings! I had the fo...Dear Pastor Brandenburg,<br /><br />Greetings! I had the following comments, testimony, and questions.<br /><br />I am glad that in the public grade school you went to as a little kid<br />you didn't have that much evil there. When I was in a public school,<br />up through second grade, the kids sang sexually explicit songs during<br />recess, and taught them to each other. Yes, this is K-2nd grade.<br />There was also violence.<br /><br />Furthermore, when I was in a non-Christian school, before eighth<br />grade, there was freely flowing alcohol, all kids of sexual influence,<br />a pounding influence in favor of sodomy that was like a tidal wave in<br />strength, (it was so strong that after I got saved, for a good while,<br />I was ashamed or could barely utter opposition to sodomy under my<br />breath), explicit sex ed classes where fornication was encouraged and<br />described, etc. We were also biased so heavily in favor of evolution<br />that we all thought that anyone who thought anything else was one of<br />the most idiotic fools alive. My friends in high school were the<br />"nerdy" people, not the "cool" ones that were even more wicked, but<br />these people were engaged in vile filth. There would be people making<br />out in the hallways in high school. The large majority of people<br />committed fornication, because we were actively encouraged to do so,<br />given condoms to do it, etc.<br /><br />I am glad that you affirmed: "I do not believe that an elementary and<br />primary aged young person should go to a public school."<br /><br />However, I was concerned about the affirmation that to do so was<br />potentially Scriptural. Yes, Moses and Daniel went to a public school.<br /> Why? Was it voluntary? No. With Moses, it was because he did not<br />get executed like all the other boys were his age. It was public<br />school or food for the crocodiles in the Nile river. With Daniel, it<br />was because, probably, the rest of his family was executed or deported<br />and he was made a eunuch. He stood for God, with his three friends,<br />while the overwhelming majority of those who went to the Babylonian<br />school turned to idolatry. Furthermore, he would have been executed<br />also, with his three friends, if the Son of God had not delivered them<br />by a miracle from a burning fiery furnace and from lions. Perhaps<br />Daniel and Moses give support for a kid surviving in a public school<br />when both his parents are unsaved and he is forced to go there, but I<br />see no support whatsoever from Moses and Daniel for believers choosing<br />to send their beloved children into the hell-hole of pagan education.<br />Are there any examples, anywhere, in Scripture where believers<br />VOLUNTARILY sent their kids to a pagan school? How can we say that no<br />corruption will take place when "evil communications corrupt good<br />manners?" Can we really say we are not having any fellowship when we<br />are requiring children to learn from the heathen for hours upon hours<br />upon hours, day after day after day after day?Thomas Rosshttp://sites.google.com/site/thross7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-84077698443744691852012-04-23T12:55:24.526-07:002012-04-23T12:55:24.526-07:00Dear Pastor Brandenburg,
Greetings! I had the fo...Dear Pastor Brandenburg,<br /><br />Greetings! I had the following comments, testimony, and questions.<br /><br />I am glad that in the public grade school you went to as a little kid<br />you didn't have that much evil there. When I was in a public school,<br />up through second grade, the kids sang sexually explicit songs during<br />recess, and taught them to each other. Yes, this is K-2nd grade.<br />There was also violence.<br /><br />Furthermore, when I was in a non-Christian school, before eighth<br />grade, there was freely flowing alcohol, all kids of sexual influence,<br />a pounding influence in favor of sodomy that was like a tidal wave in<br />strength, (it was so strong that after I got saved, for a good while,<br />I was ashamed or could barely utter opposition to sodomy under my<br />breath), explicit sex ed classes where fornication was encouraged and<br />described, etc. We were also biased so heavily in favor of evolution<br />that we all thought that anyone who thought anything else was one of<br />the most idiotic fools alive. My friends in high school were the<br />"nerdy" people, not the "cool" ones that were even more wicked, but<br />these people were engaged in vile filth. There would be people making<br />out in the hallways in high school. The large majority of people<br />committed fornication, because we were actively encouraged to do so,<br />given condoms to do it, etc.<br /><br />I am glad that you affirmed: "I do not believe that an elementary and<br />primary aged young person should go to a public school."<br /><br />However, I was concerned about the affirmation that to do so was<br />potentially Scriptural. Yes, Moses and Daniel went to a public school.<br /> Why? Was it voluntary? No. With Moses, it was because he did not<br />get executed like all the other boys were his age. It was public<br />school or food for the crocodiles in the Nile river. With Daniel, it<br />was because, probably, the rest of his family was executed or deported<br />and he was made a eunuch. He stood for God, with his three friends,<br />while the overwhelming majority of those who went to the Babylonian<br />school turned to idolatry. Furthermore, he would have been executed<br />also, with his three friends, if the Son of God had not delivered them<br />by a miracle from a burning fiery furnace and from lions. Perhaps<br />Daniel and Moses give support for a kid surviving in a public school<br />when both his parents are unsaved and he is forced to go there, but I<br />see no support whatsoever from Moses and Daniel for believers choosing<br />to send their beloved children into the hell-hole of pagan education.<br />Are there any examples, anywhere, in Scripture where believers<br />VOLUNTARILY sent their kids to a pagan school? How can we say that no<br />corruption will take place when "evil communications corrupt good<br />manners?" Can we really say we are not having any fellowship when we<br />are requiring children to learn from the heathen for hours upon hours<br />upon hours, day after day after day after day?Thomas Rosshttp://sites.google.com/site/thross7noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-31524457286292952102012-04-23T12:30:47.781-07:002012-04-23T12:30:47.781-07:00Hi Bro Webb,
Thanks. Is that in a grammar class ...Hi Bro Webb,<br /><br />Thanks. Is that in a grammar class that they faced this? I agree that literature isn't literature, and that's what I was thinking. When I was in college, that course was English and American Masterpieces.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-65207870503135964992012-04-23T02:22:28.076-07:002012-04-23T02:22:28.076-07:00Brother Brandenburg,
Amen. I am in agreement with...Brother Brandenburg,<br />Amen. I am in agreement with these points. We keep our kids at home while sending them to local universities. But ... I would definitely NOT say that "...English is English ..." English in the public university is watching movies & reporting on it online & talking about some of the vile elements in class. Some may make it through college without having to face this, but it is highly unlikely.Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.com