tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post8116033493720322944..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Southern Baptist Evangelism and Unregenerate EvangelicalsKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-88304652330149655102016-02-02T14:16:31.616-08:002016-02-02T14:16:31.616-08:00I'd love to see a series of articles on the Go...I'd love to see a series of articles on the Gospel and professing politicians.<br /><br />http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstetzer/2016/january/faith-of-2016-presidential-candidates-why-we-ask-questions.htmlSteve Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920334627083544106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-86000714444791815612016-02-02T13:46:25.445-08:002016-02-02T13:46:25.445-08:00This is a great article and very timely considerin...This is a great article and very timely considering all the "professions of faith" by evangelicals and southern baptists during the Iowa republican presidential campaign season. I can't tell you how many Christians, even pastors, I know, that are hailing Trump and Rubio as "saved." When I point out that neither has even professed a Biblical gospel and Rubio is openly Roman Catholic, they immediately pull out the "judge not" nonsense. I've heard many defend Rubio's "salvation" citing the fact that Rubio attends half his time in an emerging SBC in Florida, where he has made a profession of faith. Then he goes to his Catholic mass on Sunday to take the Eucharist. <br /><br />Trump's salvation? I had an IB retired preacher tell me that a couple from his church met with Trump personally and led him to Christ 6 months ago. We are in very bad shape concerning the most important thing...the Gospel! Steve Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920334627083544106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-10530111087446522572016-01-31T12:01:32.419-08:002016-01-31T12:01:32.419-08:00Dear Farmer Brown,
I would personally probably gi...Dear Farmer Brown,<br /><br />I would personally probably give people like that my pamphlet for evangelicals:<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/do-you-want-to-worship-god/KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-39921449581543003322016-01-31T11:01:34.256-08:002016-01-31T11:01:34.256-08:00Dear Bro Camp,
I agree that the pride and man-wor...Dear Bro Camp,<br /><br />I agree that the pride and man-worship is a big part of the immorality also. But aren't they also abominations, and isn't it the lost who are characteristically prating abominations?<br /><br />Also, I agree that there are certainly saved people in Hyles churches. The more consistent they are with their practice, though, the more that number will shrink over time until the whole thing goes apostate.<br /><br />Thanks for the comment.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1804861784270811152016-01-31T04:24:55.974-08:002016-01-31T04:24:55.974-08:00I was recently in an area that is has a strong &qu...I was recently in an area that is has a strong "christian culture", preaching door to door. It was encouraging. I visited perhaps 100 people, and of those 100, at least 10 invited me in to present the gospel. These visits lasted from 20 minutes to two hours.<br /><br />Of those 10, all but one eventually professed to be believers, not because of my witness, but prior to it. Only two attended church regularly. That was an ABC-USA church. Several were cohabiting in an unmarried state. All insisted they were believers. Only one wanted to follow up on that conversation.<br /><br />This is the great danger of easy-believism and evangelical doctrine. You can be saved because you prayed a prayer (easy-believism), and do not need to be different in any way from the world (evangelicalism). <br /><br />I am almost certain that all those with whom I spoke were unregenerate, but try convincing them of that. Most "christians" they knew were just like them, so why would they need to change? They can't all be wrong, right? <br /><br />I do not know what is more difficult, evangelizing the lost (Like Kent in CA) or evangelizing the "saved" like we just did.Farmer Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09637851494862726991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-74117908893642921932016-01-30T11:31:11.545-08:002016-01-30T11:31:11.545-08:00To Bro. Brandenburg and Bro. Ross:
It is always i...To Bro. Brandenburg and Bro. Ross:<br /><br />It is always interesting to see how where you live impacts the context in which you minister. I'm in the middle of Illinois. We're surrounded by corn and apostate liberal denominations. Cultural Christianity is still very much alive here. <br /><br />All the adults I've had Gospel discussions with consider themselves Christians. It's a social thing. One man told me, "The (PC-USA) Presbyterian Church will always be my church. I went to Sunday School there. My mom and dad went there. We've always gone there." He hadn't actually set foot inside the church in 12 years, but he still felt a cultural attachment to it. Tyler Robbinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-35548134747136559482016-01-30T09:21:21.759-08:002016-01-30T09:21:21.759-08:00Hello All,
My background is very much the Hyles c...Hello All,<br /><br />My background is very much the Hyles crowd. The Lord graciously prevented an impressionable preacher boy from going to school there. It took years, but I now repudiate their error.<br /><br />Thomas stated...<br />"Just as Hyles-style salesmanship disguised as "evangelism" has led to huge numbers of unregenerate people in Hyles-churches--explaining the large amounts of sexual immorality and other perversions at such religious centers"<br /><br />I would like to disagree with this statement. I have little doubt that some of these men are unregenerate, & even more of their members. I think a more likely cause of immorality in their preachers is the exaltation of the pastor above what is appropriate. Pride. "That pastor is never wrong". I am not making excuse, in this statement, for habitual adulterers.<br /><br />These churches use slipshod evangelism, & it is wrong & destructive. I agree. But I've known many devout Christians who believed upon the Lord Jesus from their churches. They've had definitive changes of life (repentance), made public profession & been baptized (confession), & moved forward in following Jesus Christ (sanctification / discipleship / perseverance). I struggle to see them as lost, based upon they were lead in a prayer. If they are depending upon an "open sesame" prayer, then I would have my doubts. If they found their way through the fog to an honest repentant faith in Jesus Christ, then I think we should accept their testimony. Thomas' last sentence said as much, I think.<br /><br />Just my $.02. As always, greatly appreciate the material here. Learned much<br />Jim CampJimCamp65https://www.blogger.com/profile/08293018820976464851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-8009081096020699992016-01-29T21:40:22.179-08:002016-01-29T21:40:22.179-08:00Dear Bro Tyler,
That sounds terrible. Very sad. ...Dear Bro Tyler,<br /><br />That sounds terrible. Very sad. <br /><br />The problem is much deeper than apostate denominational churches, though; the Southern Baptists have a decent doctrinal statement that is not apostate.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-45894432352718074292016-01-29T16:45:36.784-08:002016-01-29T16:45:36.784-08:00Hi,
I don't get as much of what Tyler describ...Hi,<br /><br />I don't get as much of what Tyler describes, because there is less cultural Christianity in California. It is quite normal to have someone tell you that they don't need your help because they're all set. I don't get lots of people claiming already to be saved where I'm at.<br /><br />However, I think that Thomas here provides a great contribution to the thought that, since independent Baptist fundamentalism is so bad, I'll go be an evangelical Southern Baptist. You're not improving from that in the thing that people would say is important, the gospel. The evangelicals do what the bad independent Baptists do but with even more sinning, because there is nothing in the way of personal separation preached either. Either way, people are not saved, but I can see how someone might think unsaved evangelicalism is better, because there you're not saved, plus you get to do almost everything the world does too.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-17973618503478255022016-01-29T03:50:40.961-08:002016-01-29T03:50:40.961-08:00Cultural Christianity is a great and terrible plag...Cultural Christianity is a great and terrible plague. I recently had lunch with a man I didn't know, but who claims to be a Christian. He attends an apostate denominational church, and confided in me that he "doesn't get anything out of church" anymore. <br /><br />I asked him if he'd been reading his Bible. He looked embarrased, and said, "No really. Sometimes, I just open my Bible, flip through the pages, and randonly pick a verse or two to read."<br /><br />I told him that the sword of the Spirit was the word of God, and said that he couldn't expect to be encouraged to serve the Lord if he never read the Lord's word. At this point, I began to suspect that he wasn't actually a Chriistian at all. I explained the Gospel to him briefly, and encouraged him to read through a book of the Bible before we talk again. <br /><br />He said, "Yeah, but I just don't understand any of it." I asked him if he had a study Bible which could explain the background of some of the letters. This is when he dropped a very sad bombshell. He said, "Yeah, I think I have a study Bible. It's got . . . like . . . the Old and New Testaments in it, or something like that?" <br /><br />This man believes he's a Christian. He "prayed the prayer" when he was a little boy. He is not a Christian. He participates in the (now old-fashioned) cultural practice of "going to church," but he is not a Christian. This "other Gospel" has given him false security. How awful. Tyler Robbinsnoreply@blogger.com