tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post7478319195718795620..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: More About Prayer VIKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-19401641846769462492014-08-22T10:06:41.067-07:002014-08-22T10:06:41.067-07:00You said:
"You are saying, it seems, that si...You said:<br /><br />"You are saying, it seems, that since Paul trusted in the Lord for something he wasn't going to get, then we can pray in faith for something that we won't receive."<br /><br />Not exactly. You prayed by faith believing you would receive it, but unknown to you, but not the Lord, other factors played into the equation that you personally had no knowledge of.<br /><br />As you said, this is where "trust" enters in and verses like Romans 8:27-28 believing that our Lord will always do right, even though your believing prayer did not work out according to Matthew 11:24.<br /><br />The letter to the Philippians is to encourage them to continue to preach and build the church of God and to "rejoice in the Lord always" even though they knew that Paul who began the work there was in prison. I am sure they were also praying that Paul would come, but "time and chance" changed that completely.<br /><br />To me, prayer like many principles in the word of God are not so easy to nail down on one side or the other, but there are extremes on both ends that require moderation (i.e., you will receive what you ask for [Matthew 11:24] cf. you will not because you ask amiss [James 4:3]).<br /><br />I appreciate what you have been writing because it increases our faith and obediance to live holy, perfect and blameless lives and because of that we are more in line with the Lord God's desires as his servants making our prayer requests to him with more boldness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-89986471807356302552014-08-21T10:37:47.992-07:002014-08-21T10:37:47.992-07:00Anonymous,
I'm giving you credit for a slight...Anonymous,<br /><br />I'm giving you credit for a slightly different argument. I think it is that you believe in something that may or may not happen because of the existence of chance; therefore, you can pray for things that may or may not happen, due to the word "trust" in Philip 2:24 and then Matthew 11:24. You are saying, it seems, that since Paul trusted in the Lord for something he wasn't going to get, then we can pray in faith for something that we won't receive. It also seems that you are saying that the operative function for not receiving it is chance. Chance is at work in life. To argue with your argument, or even to accept it, I have to understand it. Am I representing it properly?Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-61509617263632510172014-08-21T10:11:59.900-07:002014-08-21T10:11:59.900-07:00Like I alluded to in my previous post was that Pau...Like I alluded to in my previous post was that Paul "trusted in the Lord" that he would go to Philippi. I am sure in his prayers for them, he prayed that he would see them, but circumstances contrary to Paul's desire in prayer were not met.<br /><br />In the case of Paul, you said that if it is the Lords will he will do it, but how does that apply to the model prayer found in the book of Matthew? <br /><br />"What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them" (Matthew 11:24)<br /><br />Then you said (Prayer IV), "We've got to believe that we will receive it."<br /><br />OK, so I am certain Paul "believed", but he certainly did not receive his desire. What does it say about his faith?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-31206862098065045992014-08-17T15:05:06.391-07:002014-08-17T15:05:06.391-07:00Hi Anonymous,
Sorry I didn't get back to you ...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />Sorry I didn't get back to you here. I've been out of town and not as engaged here as normal. The word translated "chance" in Eccl 9:11 (not 8:11) means something different than what we ordinarily think of as chance, but even with that the case, this is from the perspective of the vain one.<br /><br />Trust in the Lord is "in the Lord," not in circumstances or a particular end of a set of events or moments. Essentially Paul is saying, if the Lord will he will do this. Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-81759322881347342212014-08-12T11:02:55.436-07:002014-08-12T11:02:55.436-07:00Kent,
Eccl 8:11 '[11] I returned, and saw und...Kent,<br /><br />Eccl 8:11 '[11] I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."<br /><br />cf.<br /><br />Philippians 2:24<br /><br />"But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly."<br /><br />This is bounded by the circumstances of life. Paul said that above, believing he would come, but "circumstances" unknown to Paul when he wrote that changed and he never came.<br /><br />Therefore, do you believe that Paul was praying in faith that he would come?<br /><br />How does "time and chance" affect how we pray?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com