tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post6350800307497806017..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: A Defense of the Peter Masters' Article with Criticism of its Bad ReviewsKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-19169168578030190962020-06-26T23:39:15.990-07:002020-06-26T23:39:15.990-07:00I'm sorry, I didn't see Jorge's commen...I'm sorry, I didn't see Jorge's comments. Thanks for the comment anonymous. I would have thought that Peter Masters would conflict with MacArthur in the practice of the Christian life especially.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-39800623389909720652020-06-26T18:21:16.457-07:002020-06-26T18:21:16.457-07:00Hi Jorge.
After studying under Dr Masters for a f...Hi Jorge.<br /><br />After studying under Dr Masters for a few years now, he has (to my knowledge) met MacArthur a number of times (in private) for discussions.<br /><br />I don't think he has ever 'agreed' with him (excepting the doctrines of grace), as they hold fundamentally different positions on many issues. Dr Masters is however, always gracious in how he addresses John MacArthur, and often refers to him as 'brother' or some other kindly term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-67326229308516559702019-12-18T04:33:47.591-08:002019-12-18T04:33:47.591-08:00Brothers in Jesus Christ
...I would like your op...Brothers in Jesus Christ <br /><br />...I would like your opinion after 10 years of this post .....<br /><br />Has Peter Master changed his position against MacArthur ? What do you think? <br /><br />Regards<br />JorgeJorgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438628639826158346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-33434316876103947242012-07-02T20:26:39.973-07:002012-07-02T20:26:39.973-07:00I would offer by deferring to Dr. Peter Masters wh...I would offer by deferring to Dr. Peter Masters who in <i>The Merger of Calvinism With Worldliness</i> wrote, <br /><br />“The new Calvinists constantly extol the Puritans, but they do not want to worship or live as they did. One of the vaunted new conferences is called Resolved, after Jonathan Edwards’ famous youthful <i>Resolutions</i> (seventy searching undertakings). But the culture of this conference would unquestionably have met with the outright condemnation of that great theologian.<br /> <br /><i>Resolved</i> is the brainchild of a member of Dr. John MacArthur’s pastoral staff [Rick Holland], gathering thousands of young people annually, and featuring the usual mix of Calvinism and extreme charismatic-style worship. Young people are encouraged to feel the very same sensational nervous impact of loud rhythmic music on the body that they would experience in a large, worldly pop concert, complete with replicated lighting and atmosphere. At the same time they reflect on predestination and election. Worldly culture provides the bodily, emotional feelings, into which Christian thoughts are infused and floated. Biblical sentiments are harnessed to carnal entertainment. (Pictures of this conference on their website betray the totally worldly, showbusiness atmosphere created by the organisers.)”<br /><br />For Masters’s complete article see, <i><b><a href="http://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/Sword-And-Trowel/Sword-and-Trowel-Articles/The-Merger-of-Calvinism-with-Worldliness" rel="nofollow">The Merger of Calvinism With Worldliness</a></b></i><br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-47579676930368574122012-07-02T08:02:30.680-07:002012-07-02T08:02:30.680-07:00Hi there, I find the Resolved comment interesting ...Hi there, I find the Resolved comment interesting since this year there was a sermon on Revelation 2: The address of our Lord to the Ephesian church on their lack of primary religious affection for their first love.<br /><br />I'd be interested to hear your reasoning on the comment you made:<br /><br /><br />"I believe that Masters could safely say these two sentences in the light of Edwards' book Treatise on the Religious Affections. This conference violates the major theme of Religious Affections that Edwards unpacked from scripture."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-7222184942508250212009-10-09T08:57:09.155-07:002009-10-09T08:57:09.155-07:00Anonymous:
You wrote, "whether we are truly ...Anonymous:<br /><br />You wrote, "<i>whether we are truly relying on the Spirit and the pure Word of God</i>"<br /><br />Well stated.<br /><br />An increasing number of the so-called <i>conservative</i> evangelicals are turning to worldly methods of ministry. I often say, "<i>What you win them with, you win them to</i>."<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-28244077716898141342009-10-09T04:54:11.029-07:002009-10-09T04:54:11.029-07:00I think you pinpointed the crucial matters in this...I think you pinpointed the crucial matters in this issue. It also brings us to examine our own inward state in witness and worship,whether we are truly relying on the Spirit and the pure Word of God, rather than our feelings and other extranious elements.<br />have just discovered your blog and will be back for more. <br /><br />reformblogman.<br /><br />substitutedlife.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-29797653554596794012009-06-25T16:23:24.521-07:002009-06-25T16:23:24.521-07:00It is hard to say what the parameters of "new...It is hard to say what the parameters of "new calvinism" are. Personally, I don't think you're part of it if your worship is regulated by scripture.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-39270141808593594792009-06-24T14:03:28.177-07:002009-06-24T14:03:28.177-07:00If I come to the doctrines of grace wholly because...If I come to the doctrines of grace wholly because of the scriptures, therefore forcing me out of the anti-calvinistic movement of the IFB, being in the 18-35 year old demographic, and join myself to a small, Reformed Baptist church which not only is against contextualization but actually focuses more on the regulative principle than those in the IFB, do I still fall into the category of New Calvinist?<br /><br />I'm not trying to give you a loaded question, by the way, because that's basically where I am in life at this point. Masters may have a problem with a certain <i>kind</i> of Calvinism but I don't think his (or yours) concerns can be applied to the current resurgence of Reformed theology all across the board.<br /><br />oh, and you're right, I would be upset if you speculated on why New Calvinists like Calvinism, but then again, since you speculation on my speculation was accurate, I speculate that you might have earned the right to speculate. . .Damienhttp://biblicism.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-47503144974234022342009-06-22T12:33:42.460-07:002009-06-22T12:33:42.460-07:00Ironically, virtually no man in the Reformed camp ...Ironically, virtually no man in the Reformed camp among Independent Fundamental Baptists has been willing to take on and answer the excellent article by Masters.<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-7758657626033306112009-06-22T12:21:13.798-07:002009-06-22T12:21:13.798-07:00David,
Masters evaluates it as theological pride-...David,<br /><br />Masters evaluates it as theological pride---where the Calvinism is heady. Damien would be upset if I "speculated" about why New Calvinists like Calvinism. I think that many of them do think it is true, is scriptural. It can be a pendulum swing to some shallow theology they've gotten in the past---it is satisfying intellectually to them. It can also emphasize a wrong kind of grace---a grace that is more of a garbage can than a cleansing agent.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-59766088749685040442009-06-22T12:16:39.961-07:002009-06-22T12:16:39.961-07:00Thanks Charles.
Damien,
I think that it is true ...Thanks Charles.<br /><br />Damien,<br /><br />I think that it is true that it is not 100% about church growth. They would say that it isn't, but they won't say no to it, not because they believe it is what God wants, but because it is what they like. That's how it started, because it wasn't immediately accepted. I have chronicled this already. The acceptance came in with revivalism first and then later with the Charismatic movement. They didn't want to lose an "opportunity" with all those hippies during the Jesus' movement, so they conformed their worship standard to their demographic.<br /><br />On top of this you definitely have church growth methodology with the Resolved conference. They design everything to affect teens---the lighting, the dress, etc. It is the "youth group" church growth methodology that fundamentalists are criticized for having. You cow-tow to teen fads in order to gain and then keep their interest.<br /><br />As far as judging motivation. It isn't unscriptural and it occurs non-stop in our justice system. Part of conviction of a crime is motive. Wrong judgment of motive is wrong, I agree. In this case, you've got clear motive, however.<br /><br />Why does Driscoll have grunge at Mars Hill? He would say it is missiological and contextualizing.<br /><br />It isn't "just" music either. It is worship.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment Damien.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-4774570874255321792009-06-22T11:16:11.410-07:002009-06-22T11:16:11.410-07:00Sometimes I wonder why more people don't notic...Sometimes I wonder why more people don't notice this kind of evaluation. And then I wonder why these "new Calvinists" want to call themselves spiritual and theological and yet feed their carnal desires. There must be a major deception done by Satan.<br /><br />Much of Calvinism is not found in the Scriptures. Why do you think that these "new Calvinists" retain Calvin's teachings? It seems that things are getting very messy in what we call "Christianity" today.David Warnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-46977343258996916542009-06-22T06:55:07.139-07:002009-06-22T06:55:07.139-07:00Very interesting Kent. Keep writing!Very interesting Kent. Keep writing!Jonathan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12341478626195362383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-36035488560500126092009-06-20T19:53:23.264-07:002009-06-20T19:53:23.264-07:00Here's an interview with Dr. Masters' arti...<a href="http://deekdubberly.com/index.php/2009/06/20/interview-with-peter-masters-article-on-new-calvinism/" rel="nofollow">Here's an interview with Dr. Masters' article.</a>Deek Dubberlyhttp://deekdubberly.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-8531119658323837752009-06-20T19:42:53.222-07:002009-06-20T19:42:53.222-07:00I think Masters concerns are understandable. Your ...I think Masters concerns are understandable. Your comments are as well. In many cases, these things ring true.<br /><br />I think it's a bit too broad-brushing, however. It's written as though the entire movement is fundamentally flawed. Why not just write about music, seeing as that's the main concern?<br /><br />I object to the idea that modern worship is "church growth methodology." In some cases, sure it is. But the calvinistic resurgence cares little about church growth methodology. I'd like to see who these reformed pastors are who claim they are using this form of worship to grow their church. The church I attend now is probably 10 people bigger than my IFB church. The church I went to in Bible college ran about 3,000. And in the last few months, I've visited several small churches who admit they care nothing about modern methodology, yet some of them use at least some form of contemporary music. This is why I think Masters, as well as yourself, should stick to the issue of music and worship and not claim to know the motivations in people's hearts that lead them to a different expression of worship.Damienhttp://biblicism.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-57183173980700196732009-06-20T18:48:20.207-07:002009-06-20T18:48:20.207-07:00Interesting indeed. As a Calvinist preacher, more ...Interesting indeed. As a Calvinist preacher, more in line with his preaching expositional. If what we believe is true, then its God through His Word that brings about the salvation of the sinner, and its not our place to entice others to come to hear us preach, other than to hear the Word of God. To use worldiness as a means to bring people to church, is a revere of what we believe.Charles e. Whisnanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110548370691986584noreply@blogger.com