tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post4602184744244725771..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: The Erroneous Epistemology of Multiple Version Onlyism part fiveKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-81998464966594055702009-05-10T03:33:00.000-07:002009-05-10T03:33:00.000-07:00Was reading an article today in the Institute for ...Was reading an article today in the Institute for Creation Research newsletter Acts and Facts, and it shows clearly the danger of concensus science ie too many scientists agree on this for it to be wrong. It also shows the pressure scientists have to conform, and the way in which they create incestuous systems of peer review. I found it online, so I'll link to it here for anyone else curious about this:<br /><br />http://www.icr.org/article/4590/<br /><br />It's written in laymans terms and isn't that long, so I highly recommend it for anyone wanting an insight into the darker side of "scientific" investigation.Joshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-80874566590397900972009-04-30T03:36:00.000-07:002009-04-30T03:36:00.000-07:00Thanks Kent. I'm reachable at avenellatgmaildotcom...Thanks Kent. I'm reachable at avenellatgmaildotcom.<br /><br />I picked up a Bachelor of Science with a focus on chemistry and biology in my years in the wilderness before I got saved. I had a lot of freedom with electives in that degree, so I did some first year statistics, logic, psychology, political science and philosophy subjects.<br /><br />I was a pretty poor student, but it was an incredible eye opener to see those sciences (inverted commas go around the sciences part for the last three) first hand. Then I did teaching and discovered the educational "science".<br /><br />Too much of the interaction evangelicals have with science is coming from the pens of very smooth popularizers who make it seem incredibly simple, logical, straight forward and in self-agreement. He gives one delightful little anecdote of some scientist proving his point against his deluded foes, and then tinkles on about the amazing possibilities of the man's research. Once you actually get into the science itself in it's real form (very intelligent men and women writing articles in journals based off hundreds of hours of hard research, then having it picked to pieces and doing the same to others) you realize how divided scientists are within their own field, and how little is hard and fast.<br /><br />Science is a wonderful thing. It is an incredibly useful tool. It just isn't what the average person thinks it is - pure, noble and higher searching for truth. You just have to meet a few real scientists yourself to discover this.Joshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-34467744781273028402009-04-29T22:42:00.000-07:002009-04-29T22:42:00.000-07:00Amazing point, Joshua! Excellent thought. You ar...Amazing point, Joshua! Excellent thought. You are exactly right on this. I'd like to talk sometime.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-13171207041133528192009-04-29T20:48:00.000-07:002009-04-29T20:48:00.000-07:00Another few thoughts I had about this that I'll sh...Another few thoughts I had about this that I'll share:<br /><br />This statement is used to justify accepting all sorts of extravagant scientific claims, yet when you ask a Christian to get specific about it they become very, very cautious.<br /><br />Ask them to make the statement: "I know that ________ is God's Truth", inserting a scientific fact in there. You'll find that they start out REAL small: "ummm, I am a man... ahhh... 2+2 is 4... and... we need oxygen to breathe?".<br /><br />So when forced to make the literal statement, they take very very very small reasoned steps, yet when they use this justification in an argument they attach it to scientific conclusions based off huge amounts of conjecture and subject to great debate.<br /><br />They are cautious when challenged personally because they don't want to be innocently putting lies in God's mouth by claiming his authority on their understanding, but they are perfectly happy to ascribe the same thing to a man in a white coat they've never met. Rank hypocrisy.<br /><br />The second thought is this: To defend their disobedience, they make claims about science that even scientists wont make. Every scientist knows that the success of science is in the pulling apart and disproving of the previous man's theories. They also know that what they put forward will be equally criticized and probably disproved one day by a superior understanding. As such, beyond the media propagandists for evolution, scientists are far too smart to claim their theory is Truth, because it's probably going to be disproved one day.<br /><br />But just like it's only Christian's claiming music is neutral, it's only Christian's who want to stamp the particular parts of science they want to integrate with the Bible "TRUTH!" The average scientist is far too smart and all to aware of the constantly refining nature of science to make that claim.<br /><br />The lengths men will go to in order to justify a false belief is mind boggling.Joshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-92076723150716433962009-04-28T13:14:00.000-07:002009-04-28T13:14:00.000-07:00Josh,
Good hearing from you. I'll write on Boyd ...Josh,<br /><br />Good hearing from you. I'll write on Boyd sometime and perhaps open theology. I'm sorry about your relative. That's too bad.<br /><br />Thanks.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-39725384362196424512009-04-28T05:13:00.000-07:002009-04-28T05:13:00.000-07:00Thanks for this - this kind of thinking lies at th...Thanks for this - this kind of thinking lies at the heart of a whole world of heresy.<br /><br />I just don't understand how men can look at science and realize it is a heaving, changing, shifting sea of "fact", but then insist upon deriving Truth from it.<br /><br />I see you have read some of Gregory Boyd's stuff. I'd really appreciate it if you could write on his work with open theology some time. I have a relative who was ensnared by his theology while she was at YWAM, and to this day wont hear a word against him.Joshuanoreply@blogger.com