tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post4200551890336194880..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: What Is Preaching? And What Is NotKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16500569210421803972016-03-07T11:40:10.252-08:002016-03-07T11:40:10.252-08:00Thank you, Kent. Amen.
As to the teaching vs. pr...Thank you, Kent. Amen.<br /><br />As to the teaching vs. preaching question, I'm not sure how you can do either Biblically without doing a little of the other.<br /><br />Biblical teaching is teaching what the Scripture says, and that HAS to call for a response, or it isn't truly teaching what the Scripture says. And Biblical preaching has to be teaching what the Scripture says, or it isn't true preaching.<br /><br />There may be a difference, but it is one of falling on different parts of the same continuum. Both are declaring God's truth with a view of eliciting a response in the hearers.Jon Gleasonhttp://www.mindrenewers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-54881407597979315612016-03-06T21:05:01.213-08:002016-03-06T21:05:01.213-08:00Thomas,
I believe, that lifting your voice up is ...Thomas,<br /><br />I believe, that lifting your voice up is so that you will be heard, so be heard, be bold, don't hold back, not something about it being better if you are like a jet airplane taking off. No one is to try to sound like a trumpet or like the sound of many rushing waters.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-31449858702158628592016-03-06T20:29:18.875-08:002016-03-06T20:29:18.875-08:00Dear Pastor Brandenburg,
Having more Bethel Bapti...Dear Pastor Brandenburg,<br /><br />Having more Bethel Baptist Church sermons up on the website can, I think, help people to see how one can preach with content. I would much rather have people learn how to do expository preaching by listening to you, Pastor Sutton, etc. then by listening to John MacArthur. I'm grateful for the sermons that are up.<br /><br /> One more question – just for clarity, are you saying that "lift up your voice like a trumpet" does not have anything to do with volume?<br /><br />The ears not bleeding was funny.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-77872364263941147542016-03-06T13:16:20.534-08:002016-03-06T13:16:20.534-08:00KENT said: “I want good preaching. I want someone ...KENT said: “I want good preaching. I want someone who is skilled at digging out what God says in His Word. The good preacher studies and then he delivers what he learned form the Word of God in a clear and practical way. It's better if he argues and provokes thought, like we see with biblical preachers.”<br /><br />What if you sit under preaching for years and never learn a thing but are constantly fed practical Biblical principles so that even the very youngest in attendance will either understand or learn but the mature believers remain hungry for some meat? How would you broach this subject with your pastor? Or should we just amen & encourage the preaching? <br /><br />Leaving my name off intentionally - I do love my Pastor.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-30398615186411402252016-03-05T09:54:04.648-08:002016-03-05T09:54:04.648-08:00Hi Anonymous,
The point isn't reach the highe...Hi Anonymous,<br /><br />The point isn't reach the highest number of decibels possible -- if their ear drums bleed, it's better preaching. No, don't be silent, get your voice out there, don't hold back, be bold. It's not saying, it will be more effective if it's loud.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16256655997722688262016-03-04T23:03:21.940-08:002016-03-04T23:03:21.940-08:00"Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like..."Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people there transgressions, and the house of Jacob their sins." Isaiah 58:1<br /><br />Do you think Isaiah obeyed God's command? <br />Don't you think we should do the same in our churches that are filled with sin and transgressions? If God is this passionate and instructed a preacher to do this maybe preachers today would do good to follow this same plan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-9707538274416383312016-03-04T22:03:56.232-08:002016-03-04T22:03:56.232-08:00Thomas,
1) To start, someone needs to know the p...Thomas,<br /><br />1) To start, someone needs to know the problem; hence, this post. I'm guessing a lot of readers don't care. I know they don't care. It will be business as usual with very little support of what I'm saying here. They will continue to ignore.<br /><br />People who are at fault are the people who know and continue to put up with it. Those are people who may agree with what I'm saying and yet continue acting like there is no problem. Start with their conferences being loaded with no preaching and bad preaching.<br /><br />Just because someone is ignorant doesn't change the preaching. It's still bad. If no one tells the person, he'll likely continue. Some of the no preaching or bad preaching relates to a view of the "call." Someone doesn't or can't preach, but he's called, so there we go.<br /><br />I'm more sympathetic with ignorant preaching, but it should still not be tolerated. If it is, just because someone didn't have it good, there will be more of it. The behavior will continue and people will continue confused. This might be where most of the problems are today.<br /><br />2) I'm not saying these types of communication are wrong. I'm saying they are not what preaching is. I smite with hand and stomp my feet too -- lots of stuff is worth doing that for, but I don't stomp for effect.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-13137937496047244712016-03-03T20:46:43.051-08:002016-03-03T20:46:43.051-08:00Dear Pastor Brandenburg,
Thanks for this post. I...Dear Pastor Brandenburg,<br /><br />Thanks for this post. I have two questions.<br /><br />1.) Could you elaborate on the difference between someone who is unskilled / needs improvement in preaching and someone who is rebellious in this matter? You can take a homiletics class at some Bible colleges and not even learn how to prepare an expository sermon, but that doesn't mean the students don't care about the Word.<br /><br />2.) Could you comment on Eze 6:11: "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Smite with thine hand, and stamp with thy foot, ," a passage that has been used to justify preaching with a certain style (and the verse is about preaching at least)?<br /><br />Thank you.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-26553898621264997422016-03-02T14:05:37.517-08:002016-03-02T14:05:37.517-08:00Good article. I agree wholeheartedly with what yo...Good article. I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. It has always amazed me that many think good preaching is speaking loud. I never quite understood how saying something in a really load voice changes the value or content of what is being said. I do not mean that a preacher should not express passion for what he is saying. However passion is reflected in genuine emotions; not manufactured/plastic rhetoric. Lance Ketchumhttp://www.disciplemakerministries.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-44503012617495954352016-03-02T11:49:28.745-08:002016-03-02T11:49:28.745-08:00I said thousands of churches have this and when I ...I said thousands of churches have this and when I said that, I was including all the Charismatic ones, the revivalist ones, and then the ones who would say they are neither Charismatic or revivalist, but have been influenced by those and may not know it. I'm quite sure there is a part of the Southern Baptist Convention churches that are like this, among others.<br /><br />Just as an aside, when I listen to Ted Cruz talk, I hear that he's been influenced by some of this. He has a style that is very preachy, which is one facet of his presentation that turns people off. If I were giving him some personal advice, I'd say, can you develop a speaking style that is less like your either a thespian doing Shakespeare or a "southern evangelist."Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-91537051672812316832016-03-02T11:44:41.274-08:002016-03-02T11:44:41.274-08:00Mat, I think scripture shows that teaching is a su...Mat, I think scripture shows that teaching is a subcategory of preaching. Teaching should take place in preaching, but it is more than just teaching. You also argue, rebuke, exhort, reprove, correct, etc. Some guys don't care enough about what they're talking about, so that the subject matter becomes dry to some degree because it is not translating in a real way. Paul Revere doesn't say "The British are coming" in a cerebral, matter-of-fact manner. If it is not rising much above a level of indifference, that is inauthentic as well, perhaps more so.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-59307452203500338932016-03-02T11:41:54.868-08:002016-03-02T11:41:54.868-08:00Tyler,
D4 showed you the low hanging fruit.Tyler,<br /><br />D4 showed you the low hanging fruit.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-33516568528293262652016-03-02T11:41:24.157-08:002016-03-02T11:41:24.157-08:00Farmer Brown,
I would instruct a man to use a com...Farmer Brown,<br /><br />I would instruct a man to use a command voice at times. It's still his voice and his talking. If someone is talking about something he hates, he should look like he's hating it. That isn't contrived. I think someone can be inauthentic by just reading his sermon too, where it sounds like he is simply reading it, because what he reads doesn't mean enough to him, that is, he's not connecting with what he's preaching. A herald in NT times lifted up his voice so people could hear. I don't do that at home, but I do it with a crowd I'm attempting to lead to do what scripture says. That's all good, but it is also another post, which I might not write at this time, because I think what I wrote about is a bigger problem. Thanks.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-52865139339067798832016-03-02T10:34:17.917-08:002016-03-02T10:34:17.917-08:00Tyler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFc-63Znye4...Tyler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFc-63Znye4d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-45035977404030792302016-03-02T08:39:46.557-08:002016-03-02T08:39:46.557-08:00Kent,
I appreciate this article. I have often bee...Kent,<br /><br />I appreciate this article. I have often been told that what I do is more like teaching than it is preaching. I preach differently from when I teach, but I still have been told that my preaching is more like teaching. What I strive for in preaching, is what you described above as good preaching. Hopefully, that is what I do.<br /><br />My question is this: What are some things that distinguish preaching from teaching? Both are in the Bible, but I wonder sometimes if we have it right, because we immediately assume that anything that isn't "preachy" must be teaching or neither. What are your thoughts?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />MatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-53940271333481191262016-03-02T06:36:35.292-08:002016-03-02T06:36:35.292-08:00What you are saying and have said about emotional ...What you are saying and have said about emotional appeals seems correct. However, different voices in different settings does not always mean an emotional appeal or an affectation by the speaker. For example, if you were standing with friends at the back of your church building, you would use a completely different tone and style than if you were addressing a group of people who assembled for your birthday.<br /><br />There is a tone that is suited for addressing a crowd. It is not an emotional appeal, but rather a tone and style that fits that situation. Using a casual conversational style is not fitting to addressing a large gathering, any more than an auctioneer affectation would be fitting to addressing that same crowd. <br /><br />You speak a little slower and pause a little more. You change your cadence and volume. This is not an affectation or to manipulate emotions, but rather to make what you are saying easier to understand and process. Do you agree with this?<br /><br />On the other hand, the tremorous voice, the weepy sounding plea, the lofty intonations, this is an obvious appeal to emotion. The speaker is trying to elicit an emotional response.Farmer Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09637851494862726991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-38263023773366423022016-03-02T06:07:38.348-08:002016-03-02T06:07:38.348-08:00I haven't had the displeasure of encountering ...I haven't had the displeasure of encountering the "preachy voice" phenomenon. Sounds really pathetic. Tyler Robbinsnoreply@blogger.com