tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post3542814801757122240..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: The Book of Life and Eternal Security--do Revelation 3:5 & Revelation 22:18-19 Teach that a Christian may Lose his Salvation?Kent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-41648221661702479762014-06-02T09:33:28.274-07:002014-06-02T09:33:28.274-07:00"Based on the other passages, their names wer..."Based on the other passages, their names were written in the book before the foundation of the world."<br /><br />What other passages?? There are NO passages on the book of life that teach Calvinism's "before the foundation of the world". But there are MANY passages in the bible that teach how ANY MAN can repent, be born again and be put into the body of Christ and THEN has eternal life, therefore by simple reasoning his name gets put in the book of life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-89435966849103983912014-06-02T01:19:09.237-07:002014-06-02T01:19:09.237-07:00Dear Anonymous,
A text like Php 4:3 can't be ...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />A text like Php 4:3 can't be used as a proof text for when names are written in the book of life, whether from the foundation of the world, at the moment of conversion, at 8:00 pm on December 2, A. D. 43, or at any other time. Based on the other passages, their names were written in the book before the foundation of the world.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-61823254993734821492014-06-01T21:29:39.693-07:002014-06-01T21:29:39.693-07:00What Scripture says that names are written in the ...<br />What Scripture says that names are written in the book of life at the moment of conversion?<br /><br />Answer:<br />"And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life. (Philippians 4:3<br /><br />The verse above has nothing in context to do with "before the foundation of the world", therefore how did those above get their names written in the book of life? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-34817495435420764472014-06-01T00:30:35.604-07:002014-06-01T00:30:35.604-07:00D4,
Thanks.D4, <br /><br />Thanks.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-33692931159833450872014-06-01T00:29:56.239-07:002014-06-01T00:29:56.239-07:00Dear Anonymous,
What Scripture says that names ar...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />What Scripture says that names are written in the book of life at the moment of conversion? The passages mentioned in the post actually connect the foundation of the world with the names. If you don't wish to give me specific passages, I must say that I prefer what you refer to as my "proof-texting" to your lack of any reference to specific passages at all, and your ignoring what I say about the specific passages I reference.<br /><br />This post was not about Calvinism, but about eternal security. The post shows that the book of life texts support that key doctrine. I affirmed that God works in the elect to bring them to salvation and I didn't say anything, one way or the other, in this particular post, about what God does in the non-elect, because that was not what the post was about. Scripture does teach that God draws all men, John 12:32, using the same word found in John 6:44 for drawing the elect, so I believe what those two passages teach. I also believe that the names of the elect were in the book of life from the foundation of the world, because that is what the book of life passages actually teach. No passage says that they were written in the book of life at the moment of their conversion. I can give you hymns for that, but not the Word of God for it.<br /><br />Thanks for your suggestion that I read the book of Acts and the epistles. I do so regularly, and it is obvious in them that the church--and, therefore, the body of Christ--is local and visible only, not universal and invisible, as a study of all the uses of the word ekklesia here demonstrates:<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/ekklesia-church/<br /><br />Best wishes to you.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-485091413886983922014-05-30T08:36:35.804-07:002014-05-30T08:36:35.804-07:00"BTW, I think Thomas makes the exact correct ..."BTW, I think Thomas makes the exact correct argument about election and predestination being major bases of eternal security."<br /><br />Proper exegesis of those terms have their basis in eternal security which is fixed upon the Lord Jesus Christ. In the following quote, he either mistakenly wrote it in a way that implies a man is elected, therefore predestinated by being put in Jesus Christ "before the foundation of the world" or he actually believes that to be true i.e., the heresy of Calvinism.<br /><br />Quote:<br /><br />"Those with their names in the book live with God forever, and those whose names were not in the book from the foundation of the world are cast into the lake of fire (Rev 20:12, 15)...<br />[Comment] True.<br /><br /> ...God works in those whose names He has written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,... <br />[Comment] False. He said "from" instead of "before", but the implications here are based upon what I said in the beginning prior to this quote. He works in all men, and those who repent, believe and put their faith in Christ Jesus are the ones whose names are written in the book of life AT THE TIME of their conversion.<br /><br />...giving them a new heart, and putting his Spirit in them, so that they are characterized by righteousness (Rev 21:27)."<br />[Comment] Amen.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-31365033383744715112014-05-29T15:07:08.505-07:002014-05-29T15:07:08.505-07:00Bro. B,
Bro. B, you might see what sort of traps ...Bro. B,<br /><br />Bro. B, you might see what sort of traps the local hardware store might have to take care of these annoying anonymice. :)<br /><br />BTW, I think Thomas makes the exact correct argument about election and predestination being major bases of eternal security.d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-22231433148090215632014-05-29T04:50:27.588-07:002014-05-29T04:50:27.588-07:00"The body of Christ is the local assembly&quo..."The body of Christ is the local assembly"<br /><br />Wrong. It is a BODY, and not BODIES. The CHURCH is his body and is made up of saved individuals from every local assembly, i.e., each member being a member in particular. Quit proof texting and read the epistles and the book of Acts so that you will not miss the obvious.<br /><br />"There is an aspect of union with Christ that is eternal."<br /><br />That is correct, i.e., ANYONE which is in the Lord Jesus Christ is NOW and FOREVER entered into rest and only then it can be said of them that they are "before the foundation of the world". No unsaved person is known of God, unless through conversion he becomes a son of God. <br /><br />Calvinism teaches NOTHING of the kind.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-87758489365602454142014-05-28T04:49:15.912-07:002014-05-28T04:49:15.912-07:00Dear Anonymous,
The body of Christ is the local a...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />The body of Christ is the local assembly, 1 Corinthians 12:27, and consider also:<br /><br />Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, (2 Tim 1:9)<br /><br /> And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:8)<br /><br />There is an aspect of union with Christ that is eternal.<br /><br />No, I'm not kidding.<br /><br />Thanks.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-75165994204654448382014-05-27T04:49:21.117-07:002014-05-27T04:49:21.117-07:00"For that matter, while we aren't Calvini..."For that matter, while we aren't Calvinists, even Calvinists don't believe that."<br /><br />Are you kidding? What I wrote above is exactly what Calvinists believe and teach and to say otherwise shows that you know very little about Calvinistic teachings. Calvinists teach that predestination, foreknowledge and election put the "elect" in the body of Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world (i.e., prior to the actual work of Christ) and that passages such as "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" only apply to the elect. That is private interpretation and exegetical ignorance of the scriptures.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-72099506768650042312014-05-26T01:19:39.577-07:002014-05-26T01:19:39.577-07:00Dear Anonymous,
No blogger here believes anyone i...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />No blogger here believes anyone is justified apart from the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. For that matter, while we aren't Calvinists, even Calvinists don't believe that.<br /><br />Thanks.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-19260984836950051142014-05-25T18:45:06.534-07:002014-05-25T18:45:06.534-07:00"Do you not think that God knows who He justi..."Do you not think that God knows who He justifies before the foundation of the world?"<br /><br />Yes, it is ANYONE that has ever lived that puts his faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. If you believe that it was YOU PERSONALLY that he "justified before the foundation of the world" WITHOUT the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ that occurred 2000 years ago, than your flawed theology is PURLY CALVINISM which is a damnable heresy!<br /><br />You call it "open theism" and I call it "rightly dividing the word of truth".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-39292985942914024342014-05-24T21:59:21.126-07:002014-05-24T21:59:21.126-07:00Good job, Pastor B-you correctly guessed Anonymous...Good job, Pastor B-you correctly guessed Anonymous' name. I would never have guessed it-such an uncommon one, too. The probabilities seem so small--but I guess that is appropriate for one named Lilliput.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-74363869441663839832014-05-24T17:38:00.787-07:002014-05-24T17:38:00.787-07:00Thank you for you kind and thoughtful reply!
-Bo...Thank you for you kind and thoughtful reply! <br />-Bob Jones LilliputAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-27845569336626129702014-05-24T11:57:51.279-07:002014-05-24T11:57:51.279-07:00Hi Anonymous Commenters, one being BJL? Bob Jerry...Hi Anonymous Commenters, one being BJL? Bob Jerry Lawrence, Billy Joe Lattimore, Bob Jones Lilliput,<br /><br />I can't say strong enough how weak your comments were. You call it bad exegesis and you give no exegesis, no answer. You just call it Calvinism. It's good you stayed anonymous. Election is in the Bible. Predestination is in the Bible. Do you not think that God knows who He justifies before the foundation of the world? If not, then I would potentially put you on the level of open theists. Nothing occurs to God.<br /><br />You're going to have to do better and go ahead and let everyone know who you are if you are going to talk in such a tough way. It's pathetic.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-46184836546441466722014-05-24T10:25:21.138-07:002014-05-24T10:25:21.138-07:00Dear Anonymous number one and two,
Please note th...Dear Anonymous number one and two,<br /><br />Please note that the post never said anything about Calvinism. It simply justified eternal security in the book of life passages. The article here:<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/scripture-five-points-tulip-calvinism/<br /><br />explains our view on Calvinism.<br /><br />The article employs election as an argument for eternal security, which it is. The Bible speaks about both election and predestination, and both doctrines are arguments for eternal security, but neither doctrines, in our view, require Calvinism.<br /><br />If we want to say that the exegesis is flawed, we need to point out where Scripture is being misinterpreted, rather than simply claiming that it teaches Calvinism.<br /><br />Thanks for the comments.<br /><br /><br /><br />KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-77235444602426844762014-05-24T07:23:17.848-07:002014-05-24T07:23:17.848-07:00Anonymous is absolutely correct in pointing out th...Anonymous is absolutely correct in pointing out this exegesis as flawed (unconditional election). The truth of eternal security to the believer is still true according to other scriptures. It is justifying this damnable error of Calvinism in light of the damnable error of Arminianism based on a poor understanding of the scriptures that deal with the "book of life". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-47151418245776787862014-05-23T09:54:57.089-07:002014-05-23T09:54:57.089-07:00Is this election unconditional? If so, then how ...Is this election unconditional? If so, then how in the world could the " part " have any prospective aspect to it for those who have been arbitrarily decreed unelect? Would this not be a pointless warning? I mean how could it be prospective when there is absolutely no chance of changing God's eternal Decree concerning the matter? This is the trouble with trying to fight one error (arminianism) with another error (calvinism). If it is a conditioned election then why use quotes supporting unconditional election? <br />BJLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com