tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post3228330922504385985..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Adjusting to a Meaningless WorldKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-14986766774848832272013-04-18T13:58:21.683-07:002013-04-18T13:58:21.683-07:00Joshua,
Thanks. I believe you are correct. Than...Joshua,<br /><br />Thanks. I believe you are correct. Thank you.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-71089540206898580952013-04-18T13:48:24.914-07:002013-04-18T13:48:24.914-07:00I'd just leave that anonymous chap alone folks...I'd just leave that anonymous chap alone folks.<br /><br />The man has confessed that part of his daily ritual is an orgy of pride whereby he reads 4 blogs he disagrees with to laugh in superiority. He's already confessed to being a scoffer, and he's already explained why he wants to hide behind anonymity. Anyone who thinks they are dealing with a brother in Christ should be applauded for charity but chastened for naivety.<br /><br />I appreciate Pastor Brandenburg letting his comments be put up here to remind us all that not all who oppose are merely sincerely and innocently deceived by the world, but some do so in out of malice, pride, contempt and everything else that comes with being the scoffer spoken of in the Bible.<br /><br />That said, in my extensive experience with internet trolls, this man is just enjoying the rise he's getting out of us, and the quicker you leave him alone the quicker he'll leave.<br /><br />Paul said it best: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly;."<br /><br />He's just here to offend, and doing a pretty good job of it. Just let him and his belly go.Joshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-44939690239699906312013-04-18T13:06:52.161-07:002013-04-18T13:06:52.161-07:00Anon,
I'm not KJB1611. That's Thomas Ros...Anon,<br /><br />I'm not KJB1611. That's Thomas Ross. He's a very good violinist. His wife is an amazing pianist. If I include your comments, you don't think I would approve his. The rock music issue doesn't require tremendous music theory, although if it did, he and his wife have enough. It's more philosophical, cultural, and theological than it is a great grasp of music theory. I do know that rock music is easier to play than classical. I don't know that from experience, but from others who have played both. It's not even close. I don't have to have a degree in art to judge art or English to judge poetry or music to judge music. It's a false argument. Now, if we get someone who does know music very well in order to please someone like you, you're still not going to be pleased. <br /><br />For anyone reading,<br /><br />The attack is typical from anon, which is why I include it. If we started talking about theology, Thomas Ross is very well read, has devotions in Greek and Hebrew, but it wouldn't mean that someone can't make an argument against a point of theology he holds. We don't operate that way on the music issue either.<br /><br />I have no measurable basis for judging who "knows" music better than others. As to me, I took piano lessons, played trumpet from 5th grade all the way through college in band and orchestra. I sang in high school and college choir. I traveled three summers singing. I sang in Handel's Messiah seven times. I've directed about 25 school programs. I've written 7 or 8 songs, both the words and the music. I'm on the board of two orchestras, one of which is the second oldest youth orchestra in the United States, which played at the Golden Hall in Vienna last summer. My son played trombone in California All State band and was principal trombone in Young People's Symphony Orchestra and won the concerto competition at Berkeley Youth Orchestra. My three daughters play violin very well. They take lessons from a tremendous violinist, Vasily Chuckhlov. All four of my kids are very proficient on the piano. My wife is a piano instructor. And still I don't see myself as an expert on music, because I know people who are. However, on this issue of worship, knowing the Bible very well, and being well-read in history is just as important. With that being said, I stick with what I wrote, that being you don't have to be a music expert to judge in this area, just like I don't have to be an expert to know if I hear foul or profane language. It is a straw man argument to scare people away.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-48311517475826611012013-04-18T11:47:17.799-07:002013-04-18T11:47:17.799-07:00I have never heard of Graham West but I looked at ...I have never heard of Graham West but I looked at the materials you posted. They are umm, underwhelming and I say that kindly;) The first is just basic music theory you learn in your first years of music study. The second is the same old unproved assumptions and opinions that have been long since weighed in the balances and found wanting. <br /><br />The fact that you consider his materials excellent reinforces what I already knew: you don't know anything about music. You are embarrassing yourself by using those materials as support for your "position." But then you link to Cloud's foolishness on music too. <br /><br />Face it. As funny as I find your writing such as your excrement = blended perspective, you are way out of your league. That is why no one takes you seriously.<br /><br />I say that with all Christian love. Go back to writing about something you know something about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-85877194806197021402013-04-18T08:05:49.010-07:002013-04-18T08:05:49.010-07:00Pastor Graham West of Music Education Ministries i...Pastor Graham West of Music Education Ministries is an expert, with degrees in music, etc.; his material, which is excellent, has been posted here:<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/ecclesiology/<br /><br />However, it is obvious that rock is sinful even without being an expert, as it is obvious water is wet without being a chemist.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-61894158377325991852013-04-17T11:38:42.997-07:002013-04-17T11:38:42.997-07:00Anonymous,
What about me? I used to play in churc...Anonymous,<br /><br />What about me? I used to play in church worship bands. I played in a Campus Crusade band: in fact, it's the same chapter where Matt Olson's son is in some sort of leadership. I played in several bands, one of which was on the cusp of a national tour before my conviction about what I was doing became acute enough that I unplugged, literally.<br /><br />What about me? I sold off my equipment to be able to afford my first tuition payment and to pay for our move up to Iron Mountain, and our first month's rent. I had nice stuff. I was assured I would never need it again.<br /><br />I can't say I'm surprised by what Northland has done, or by the way they're handling it. I wish I were, but I know them. I met with them while I was a student there to ask about changes way back in 2006. I got non-answers of about as much substance as people trying to justify their midlife crises.<br /><br />I am, however, surprised by people like you who wish to justify the dishonesty and posturing of people in charge of an institution that till recently publicly repudiated what they secretly loved.<br /><br />Sophistry minus the soph-.<br /><br />As far as I'm concerned, Northland can change all they want, but they ought to do it honestly, and not do it at the expense of the consciences of the faculty and staff and students who are stuck there.<br /><br />Chris AmesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-84954722787764417752013-04-17T09:05:12.638-07:002013-04-17T09:05:12.638-07:00Thanks Jon and Joshua.
Joshua had already entered...Thanks Jon and Joshua.<br /><br />Joshua had already entered the marginalization zone with support, but I appreciate your willingness to do so, Jon.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-45771222915442570592013-04-17T09:03:04.937-07:002013-04-17T09:03:04.937-07:00Lance,
Thanks for commenting, and I understand yo...Lance,<br /><br />Thanks for commenting, and I understand your criticism. It was a judgment call on my part to allow it. He represents the other side. I probably wasn't going to get anyone from that side publishing their name, so I allowed it, so people could see what it looked like. He'll get big applause from his pals and people like him, but they aren't going to listen anyway. However, I think, and it was my judgment, to let him stand as the kind of person on their side.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-72041172641056108002013-04-17T08:58:15.759-07:002013-04-17T08:58:15.759-07:00Why allow anonymous people to make comments on you...Why allow anonymous people to make comments on your blog? In my experience they are cowards that speak without any accountability to their local church or other Christians for what they say. Secondly, why give such comments any credibility by responding to their incredulous accusations? Ridicule often comes from ridiculous people.Lance Ketchumhttp://www.disciplemakerministries.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-91402481613486695962013-04-17T03:54:28.786-07:002013-04-17T03:54:28.786-07:00You DON'T need to be a musical expert to ponti...You DON'T need to be a musical expert to pontificate about music, or a medical expert to tell doctors how to practice medicine.<br /><br />But it doesn't take an expert to note that Harold Shipman's patients died, or a physicist to notice a space shuttle explosion, or an artist to notice a sculpture of the emperor has no clothes.<br />Jon Gleasonhttp://www.mindrenewers.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-58520275640319117052013-04-17T01:31:46.832-07:002013-04-17T01:31:46.832-07:00What a surprise that the wiseman of this world hap...What a surprise that the wiseman of this world happen to come down on the side of the current culture and the desires of men's flesh! If only Paul had given the great ones of this world a better rap than all that "not many wise" stuff.<br /><br />True Christians have been fools for the amusement and scoffing of others for two millennia - so I'm happy to put the hand up as another one of the kooks.<br /><br />That said, I'm growing more and more attached to Matthew 15:14. People have definitely made their minds up when it comes to music and dress (firmly in the current cultures camp there, or else it's scoff town for you!). I'm not saying Pastor Brandenburg should stop writing about it, as he has been a huge encouragement and blessing to me there, but I'm more fond of giving the teaching and then discussing with open minds rather than trying to a lead a horse to water who wants anything but.Joshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-89360790309220936472013-04-16T17:12:13.851-07:002013-04-16T17:12:13.851-07:00To be clear, anon, I was talking about the three g...To be clear, anon, I was talking about the three guys writing against -- Butler, Dudding, and the other guy -- not understanding music. So these are not pent up music experts, unleashing on ignorance. I can't say I know their precise motives. If it didn't matter to them, they would leave me alone though. <br /><br />Cloud, that I know of, is the only one, besides me, that writes about music. He wouldn't say he was an expert, I don't think. I've only spoken to him one time. Aniol isn't less dogmatic than me. He just doesn't separate like I do, but that's because of other beliefs, not music. So we already find something that indicates your lack of understanding about what's going on. But we already knew that.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-20769373251876468922013-04-16T16:58:44.893-07:002013-04-16T16:58:44.893-07:00Guilty as charged. I am indeed a scoffer of this b...Guilty as charged. I am indeed a scoffer of this blog anyway. <br /><br />Oh no, you don't need to be a musical expert to pontificate about music. Just like you don't need to be a medical expert to tell doctors how to practice medicine. Just like you don't have to be a physics expert to tell engineers how to launch rockets.<br /><br />No, you don't have to be an expert. But you need to be an expert if you want to be credible. The bunch of you, and I include the four blogs I mentioned earlier are just laughable. Cloud is the most so since he is the most specific and thus most obviously displays his ignorance. <br /><br />There are people infinitely more knowledgeable about the subject than the bunch of you. And yet they are not as dogmatic. Why is that do you think? Even the people like Aniol on your side are not as dogmatic.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1636375581376829112013-04-16T16:44:40.213-07:002013-04-16T16:44:40.213-07:00Anonymous,
One doesn't need to be an expert i...Anonymous,<br /><br />One doesn't need to be an expert in rock music to know what's wrong with it. It's like saying that I need to explore Playboy to refute pornography. It isn't a deep study. I think there are better arguments than others, but it doesn't require a technical knowledge of music. We don't need music theory to reject rock music.<br /><br />Every person of the referred blog posts are no musical experts, so your annoyance theory doesn't work. You're the genius of your own estimation, projecting your own irritation upon them, a scoffer walking after his own lust.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-2723549568690020482013-04-16T13:19:47.529-07:002013-04-16T13:19:47.529-07:00LOL. Thanks, but I will stay anonymous. I want no ...LOL. Thanks, but I will stay anonymous. I want no one associating me with the foolishness of this blog for various reasons. Yes indeed I am laughing. I love how everyone claims to be rock music experts. Let me guess: you played in a pathetic garage band back in the 1970's and never had a paying gig (except maybe beer). But you are a musical expert. The truth is that not one of you could defend your beliefs against a music expert if someone put a gun to your head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-90110375254206314782013-04-16T12:19:29.160-07:002013-04-16T12:19:29.160-07:00Anonymous (not a real man) is a "blind leader...Anonymous (not a real man) is a "blind leader of the blind". He is correct in his assessment of himself and others like him that are carnal, sensual, not having the Spirit. Rock music is straight from the pit of hell (been there done that as a lost man) whether it has Jesus in it or not. It is like some reprobate who calls himself a Christian justify himself for being in a bar, drinking Jack Daniels with a bunch of whores because John 3:16 is written somewhere on the label.<br /><br />This is the perverted, corrupt and filthy mindset of lost people who have "another Jesus" because they have been preached "another gospel".The Preacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555338497068482867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-7047422721293174832013-04-16T11:27:47.182-07:002013-04-16T11:27:47.182-07:00Thanks Mat. If he can stop laughing, Anonymous mi...Thanks Mat. If he can stop laughing, Anonymous might debate you with his reservoir of knowledge not forgotten, still towering above all others. He's also too serious to waste his time that way, because he prefers to waste his time writing only inane comments, hiding behind anonymity. Thanks for raising the support level to .01%, part of the kook (I said kook first, so he should have at least looked for a synonym) influence.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-38198042983748897562013-04-16T10:36:35.474-07:002013-04-16T10:36:35.474-07:00Kent,
You can bump that 0% up to at least 0. some...Kent,<br /><br />You can bump that 0% up to at least 0. something. I have been reading this site for the last 4-5 years and you have been a tremendous help and blessing to me. I'm not saying I agree with every single thing you write, but far more often than not, I find you to be right in line with the Word. Thanks for taking the time to write. It does more than just make some people mad :-)<br /><br />As for music, I'd love to debate, Mr. Anonymous on this topic. I am ashamed to say that I could almost guarantee I know more than he does about rock and pop music. I used to be into it like few others are. And I know what it is. It's exactly what the rock 'n rollers themselves say it is. It's about sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll. It's about rebellion, sensuality and the occult. They know it, Mr. Anonymous, and so should you. I've done a message on "The Nature of Rock Music" and it is about the easiest case I have ever made for anything. II Thess. 5:21 says, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." When you honestly "prove" rock music, it comes up squarely in the evil column. And as you said, Kent, this used to be obvious to virtually everyone.<br /><br />MatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-40956154933576699212013-04-16T09:51:14.767-07:002013-04-16T09:51:14.767-07:00Anonymous,
First, thanks for the courage to stand...Anonymous,<br /><br />First, thanks for the courage to stand up. You embolden rock music lovers everywhere to take their stand on this important issue. Dogs join you in protecting their dog food. Brava!<br /><br />Second, I opened my book of "who knows what" and you were correct, that people who know things the least say it the loudest. And you say, people know that.<br /><br />Marking doooowwwn 0% influence.<br /><br />Got it all, buddy. I'm one of your four starts as you are revving up. When morning guilds the skies, you are reading me. Thanks for that.<br /><br />D4,<br /><br />Careful on the salad fork. Second amendment rights.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-6552897748933457412013-04-16T07:34:06.030-07:002013-04-16T07:34:06.030-07:00Kent, I can help you understand a bit what is happ...Kent, I can help you understand a bit what is happening. People know that those that know the least know it the loudest and most dogmatically. It offends them when you take ignorant dogmatic positions.<br /><br />They should not get upset. They should just do what I do: laugh at you. Take the issue of music. You don't have a clue about music. I have forgotten more about music than you will ever know. If you and I ever debated music (I would not waste my time), you would be exposed for a fool. <br /><br />People know that you don't have a clue and it annoys them that you are dogmatic. Again, that is their problem. They should read you like I do. You are one of about 4 stops (others include Martuneac, Cloud, and Don Johnson) that I check out to start revving up for the day. Sort of a warm-up to actual serious stuff.<br /><br />Kent, you probably think you are influential and your blog is helpful to people. I suspect about 1/3rd your readership are kooks that agree with you, and rest read you either to laugh (like me) or to get mad (they really shouldn't and I won't defend that practice). <br /><br />Your influence is probably pretty close to 0% though. But don't stop writing. I enjoy the laughing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-47011595664886803542013-04-16T04:04:24.852-07:002013-04-16T04:04:24.852-07:00Man, Butler holds his light sabre like a salad for...Man, Butler holds his light sabre like a salad fork or something!d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.com