tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post2780304401944591410..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Acts 11:26: All Christians are DisciplesKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-18732061865564807582017-02-02T23:24:28.072-08:002017-02-02T23:24:28.072-08:00Dear Jessie,
Yes, we should tell lost sinners the...<br />Dear Jessie,<br /><br />Yes, we should tell lost sinners the things that the Lord Jesus told lost sinners. We aren't smart enough to think of something better to tell the lost than what the Christ told them. No, of course in every single gospel presentation we do not need to tell the lost person "all" the things Christ told people over the course of his three-year ministry.<br /><br />I'm sorry, but John 2:11 doesn't have a Greek construction remotely like Acts 11:26. My argument--or better, the realities of grammar in the language in which God gave the Bible--indicate in Acts 11:26 that all believers are disciples. You will need to refute standard Greek grammar in order to deny this conclusion, and that is going to be rather difficult for you to do.<br /><br />Furthermore, John 2:11 isn't even about the lost coming to saving faith, but about the deepening of faith in the already justified saint. Please read the section on faith in the Johannine writings at: http://faithsaves.net/just-faith/ to learn more.<br /><br />John 6 shows that there can be false "believers" or false "disciples." It does not in any way deny that justified people with saving faith are not also people who learn of and follow Christ, that is, are His true disciples. After overthrowing standard Greek grammar to get rid of Acts 11:26, you will need to find clear texts where true believers are not yet true disciples to attempt to prove your position. You will have a very hard time doing this, so perhaps it would be wise to change your position to agree with the teaching of Scripture.<br /><br />Thanks.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-65400152991812023332017-01-30T12:27:25.234-08:002017-01-30T12:27:25.234-08:00My understanding of the use of the word "disc...My understanding of the use of the word "disciple" (learner, student, one being taught) in the NT is that all born-again ones are disciples, but not all disciples are born again.<br /><br />E. T. ChapmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-66828953544274930102017-01-30T12:25:08.118-08:002017-01-30T12:25:08.118-08:00Jesse,
You're missing the point of the post. ...Jesse,<br /><br />You're missing the point of the post. All believers are disciples, but not all disciples were believers, Judas being a prime example. A disciple is merely a learner or follower. One can follow (outwardly) without believing, but one cannot believe savingly without following. I think you should carefully re-read the post.James Bronsveldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18330385638322033748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-17252989060241773202017-01-30T07:24:51.024-08:002017-01-30T07:24:51.024-08:00So what do you mean by preaching the gospel accord...So what do you mean by preaching the gospel accordingly? Does that mean you tell lost sinners all the things that Jesus told to those who would be his disciples as prerequisites to being saved? Should we be using Luke 9:57-62 in our gospel presentation? <br /><br /><br />Also I don't think Biblically that A=B, B=A is always true, which if it not always true your argument can't be substantiated. In John 2:11 it says that his disciples "believed on him." This indicates that some of the disciples before Christ did the miracles at Cana didn't fully believe who he was. The miracle did something that caused them to believe whereas before they were unbelieving. He specifically refers to these men as his disciples before they believed. (John 2:2) Furthermore if John 2 isn't conclusive enough, which it is because it gives one instances where A does not equal B, then John 6 certainly is. At the end of John 6 Jesus makes statements that some of his disciples found hard to believe. Some of those disciples had a hard time accepting and turned away from following him. (Vs 66) Then the chapter ends with Judas whom Jesus had chosen to be his disciple, but Judas, a disciple, was "a devil," not a Christian. (Vs 70-71) <br /><br />The point simply is that A does not always equal B and there is a distinction between a disciple and a believer. <br /><br />JesseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com