tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post2170448894883164116..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: What Did Charles Spurgeon and H. A. Ironside Say About the Tertiary or Primary Doctrine View?Kent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-70183873595708998542007-07-02T14:19:00.000-07:002007-07-02T14:19:00.000-07:00Kent,I saw your comment on Bill Hardecker's site a...Kent,<BR/><BR/>I saw your comment on Bill Hardecker's site and thought I would visit yours. Great page! Good content. It's hard to find quality content that is original. I'm glad there are Independent Fundamental Baptists out there still preaching Jesus, the King James Bible, and the old paths! Keep it up! I've put a link on my site to yours. If you get a chance, check mine out and put up a link. Thanks!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09034856957575560792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-32641448076125224642007-06-30T08:37:00.000-07:002007-06-30T08:37:00.000-07:00-------------There isn't a basis for allowing fell...-------------<BR/>There isn't a basis for allowing fellowship for unrepentant disobedience to Scripture.<BR/>-------------<BR/><BR/>Kent,<BR/><BR/>The point is that the professing believing brothers in question <I>may</I> not be disobedient. While there are going to be tighter doctrinal and practical constraints at the local church level (as well there should be), this is not the only place we share fellowship.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.sharperiron.org/2006/07/01/separation-from-professing-brethren-notes-toward-an-understanding/" REL="nofollow">Kevin Bauder</A> had some notes thinking through this issue that I found quite helpful.Greg Linscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10001199663041166784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-63008692560054689272007-06-28T11:06:00.000-07:002007-06-28T11:06:00.000-07:00Thanks Bro Kent for these quotes. It is amazing ho...Thanks Bro Kent for these quotes. It is amazing how much junk is excused away in Christendom, especially when it comes to yoking together with others, and it is certainly good to see others standing for the whole Word of God, not just our preferences or favourite niches.Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-29211827000736238542007-06-28T06:47:00.000-07:002007-06-28T06:47:00.000-07:00My family and I are leaving to a family camp at wh...My family and I are leaving to a family camp at which I am speaking, so I'm not sure how much in the next week and half I'll be writing, but Greg, I believe we do see here something that these men thought. A big punch of Phil's article was that we don't have any to little writing on this historically. However, we have some things, obviously, as seen in these quotes.<BR/><BR/>We live in a much different era, I believe, of compromise, false doctrine, and practice, but they are talking about the same thing. I do think that we have Scriptural differences, us and who we consider non-separatists like Phil, on this issue. I've done four or five articles on this issue over here before Phil posted his piece on this. I don't think Phil sees it the same way.<BR/><BR/>I can't keep going because of time, but ecclesiology is what will result in being consistent on this. Unity on doctrine is in the church. We then fellowship with churches of like faith and practice, so respecting everything God said to do. There isn't a basis for allowing fellowship for unrepentant disobedience to Scripture.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-60963065086572599302007-06-28T06:00:00.000-07:002007-06-28T06:00:00.000-07:00Deceptive in that these men would have considered ...Deceptive in that these men would have considered it necessary to "particular in every point" and "essential to the enjoyment of communion with God"- but would not have argued that doctrinal unanimity was necessary for recognizing others as brothers in Christ with whom you could grant some degree of fellowship- even if you couldn't be a member of the same church, for instance. They would not have argued that all matters were essential to salvation and fellowship.<BR/><BR/>Raising the idea in your reply to me that it isn't in Scripture is beside the point of your original post, too. You weren't arguing the Biblical basis for these beliefs- instead, you were attempting to substantiate historical support for your position (and the departure from said position represented by Phil J.). Whether or not you or Phil are ultimately right, I don't think the quotes you provided make your case particularly well. Everyone in this discussion- even Phil- believes it is important to be "particular in every point."Greg Linscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10001199663041166784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-58751346084540204222007-06-27T23:51:00.000-07:002007-06-27T23:51:00.000-07:00Deceptive how Greg. I quoted them. How else coul...Deceptive how Greg. I quoted them. How else could you take it then how they read? What else is the non-essential teaching then having to do with discipline and fellowship?<BR/><BR/>It isn't in Scripture and the cooperation, interaction, and fellowship issue is tell-tale because it isn't in Scripture.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-54365697200936866562007-06-27T20:20:00.000-07:002007-06-27T20:20:00.000-07:00Kent,Aren't your quotes a but deceptive when you c...Kent,<BR/><BR/>Aren't your quotes a but deceptive when you consider how those who made them put them into practice? As I am understanding the topic you are discussing, both Spurgeon and Ironside would have seen that some doctrines were not essential to <B>particular levels of fellowship-</B> a fact easily demonstrated by the breadth of fellowship enjoyed by both men.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure who you're targeting who would argue that there are matters of doctrine that don't matter in even the slightest degree. These are serious matters we deal with. The point is where we determine there must be unanimity on conclusions we reach on particular issues in order to have fellowship, cooperation, and interaction.Greg Linscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10001199663041166784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-84284077672861540842007-06-27T11:39:00.000-07:002007-06-27T11:39:00.000-07:00Two great quotes. Let us indeed never think that ...Two great quotes. Let us indeed never think that one single word God has given to us is non-essential. I need them all.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00344473172667286467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-59777734378641294022007-06-27T08:37:00.000-07:002007-06-27T08:37:00.000-07:00Thanks for the fog horn, to draw attention to keep...Thanks for the fog horn, to draw attention to keeping things essential. Sometimes it is easy to drift away from the essentials in the Word. I have seen on a number of different Pastor’s List, where there are men from different abominations oh, I mean denominations. They have this as a ‘tag line’ … in essential things, unity; in non-essential things, liberty; and in all things, charity. So thanks to Charles, Harry and Kent (no flattery intended) for keeping this "the essential things" before us.Bro. Jeff Hallmarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09815818639927469671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-39343691889172084232007-06-27T00:23:00.000-07:002007-06-27T00:23:00.000-07:00How do you see the outworking of these things? Spu...How do you see the outworking of these things? Spurgeon went north to Scotland to open the Presbyterian (and firm paedobaptist)Church of John Kennedy of Dingwall. <BR/><BR/>I always feel that we should tolerate in other <I>Christians</I> what we would not tolerate in ourselves. Obviously there must be a dividing line otherwise the word <I>Christian</I> becomes meaningless and is made to take in arch deceivers like Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons etc., If we create a dividing line into what is tolerable (in other Christians) and what is not, then you automatically create two tier doctrines.Colin Maxwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02632698769785766168noreply@blogger.com