tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post114892676789280097..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Baptism: Why So Far?Kent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-46978623302681486272019-12-02T19:40:42.014-08:002019-12-02T19:40:42.014-08:00Vic,
Are you Mormon, or are you just saying that ...Vic,<br /><br />Are you Mormon, or are you just saying that our argument is like Mormons? This is an exegesis of scripture that shows that authority for baptism is required. There is no basis for believing that John the Baptist rose up and laid hands on Joseph Smith. There is biblical and evidential teaching against that occurring.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-12561273735480970312019-12-01T19:30:33.473-08:002019-12-01T19:30:33.473-08:00There is one Christian church that asserts Heavenl...There is one Christian church that asserts Heavenly authority to validate their baptisms and other priesthood ordinances. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints testifies to the world that John the Baptist himself came as a resurrected being and laid his hands on the heads of Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery and gave them the same authority he had to baptize, and then commanded them to baptize one another according to his instructions. Vic Dietznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-17380640950480001852016-12-07T22:07:59.228-08:002016-12-07T22:07:59.228-08:00Hannah,
I've included your comments, even tho...Hannah,<br /><br />I've included your comments, even though we don't believe your doctrine.<br /><br />Here are two articles to deal with the false doctrine you are espousing on baptism. Acts 2:38 isn't Spirit baptism. Spirit baptism is also not for today. It is a historical event.<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/oneness-pentecostal/<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/spirit-baptism/<br /><br />They are long, but very scriptural, helpful articles that are dealing with your comments. I included your comments so that you could see there was an answer.<br /><br />Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-48699866622324998092016-12-07T20:21:47.376-08:002016-12-07T20:21:47.376-08:00In hopes of this peraon having a relationship with...In hopes of this peraon having a relationship with Christ alone. But also this person has to think about the leadership of that church. He/she doesn't want to be under "authority" that isnt preaching Jesus and Him crucified. If yoy want to truly be saved, you woukd make an attempt to get under Bible believing, Holygost fire, teaching and preaching. So that on judgement day you will know the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help you God. Salvation is only through Jesus Christ-get in a church where they baptize with the Holygost Acts 2:38. Get in Gods word for yourself so that No one will be held accountable for you but you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03737517360373162037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-52377240275523119962016-12-07T20:15:10.279-08:002016-12-07T20:15:10.279-08:00Its always good to have a Baptismal statement. But...Its always good to have a Baptismal statement. But it holds no Power or Authority. When using the name of Jesus that outs a stamp on it! When demons come ones way...the first name yoy hear is Jesus! When almost hit by a speeding car..you hear that person call on Jesus! So when in baptism you need some power because we are buried with Christ Romans 6:4. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03737517360373162037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-31367301632200832382016-12-07T20:10:05.800-08:002016-12-07T20:10:05.800-08:00Baptosm in Jesus name is right! Baptise in Jesus n...Baptosm in Jesus name is right! Baptise in Jesus name(full immersion) not Father Son or Holy Spirit). The bible says that there is no other name whereby men shall he saved but at the name if Jesus! Acts 4;12. Do it the right way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03737517360373162037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-41551385395363838462016-12-07T20:06:19.575-08:002016-12-07T20:06:19.575-08:00I dont kniw how old this is... but I believe that ...I dont kniw how old this is... but I believe that the proper baptism is immersion because the bible says that we Romans 6:4<br />Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. So with that being said Baptize in "Jesus name" why because there is no other way that we can be saved. Jesus is the one who died and has All power in his hands and put all things under his feet. Thirdly there's Power in the name of Jesus! Demons tremble at that name. So Baptize in Jesus name because it is right!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03737517360373162037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-13958395802659800362016-11-27T13:40:52.750-08:002016-11-27T13:40:52.750-08:00John the baptized farther was zechariah. he held t...John the baptized farther was zechariah. he held the aaronic priesthood. was this the purpose that Jesus walked to be baptized JOHN.??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-89626864202423973472016-01-29T21:41:08.596-08:002016-01-29T21:41:08.596-08:00Dear Anonymous,
While individual manuscripts of t...Dear Anonymous,<br /><br />While individual manuscripts of the Bible have been changed at times, the Bible itself has not been corrupted. We have every word in the original languages that were given by God to the original writers, and we also have those words faithfully translated into English in the King James Version. Please see the section on Biblical preservation in Bible Study #1 here:<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/bible-studies/<br /><br /><br />and the section on the Bible's preservation in the study here:<br /><br />http://faithsaves.net/daniel-proof-bible/<br /><br />and, after examining these, if you have further questions, I will, Lord willing, answer them. <br /><br />Thanks.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-36684863439062774512016-01-29T12:50:01.753-08:002016-01-29T12:50:01.753-08:00The bible has changed over many years so how do yo...The bible has changed over many years so how do you know if any of it is actually true?<br /><br />Please explain your proof 100℅ so that I understand <br /><br />Thank-you.<br />😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-52392228618873802682013-08-31T14:08:14.992-07:002013-08-31T14:08:14.992-07:00The authority to baptize must be passed on directl...The authority to baptize must be passed on directly from John, or be restored to earth if the chain from John is broken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149131139929122812006-05-31T20:05:00.000-07:002006-05-31T20:05:00.000-07:00Right, Pastor B. The men in Acts 19 confessed tha...Right, Pastor B. <BR/><BR/>The men in Acts 19 confessed that they had not even "heard" of the Holy Ghost. Judging by John's messages recorded in the Gospels, it would have been impossible to have heard John preach and not hear of the Holy Ghost. Those men were not baptized by John the Baptist.<BR/><BR/>The Bible does not say that they were re-baptized, but baptized. The first dipping didn't count. They just got wet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149123990083440652006-05-31T18:06:00.000-07:002006-05-31T18:06:00.000-07:00Great article! It is a blessing to uderstand that ...Great article! It is a blessing to uderstand that not all Pastors have given up on studying the word of God, and standing for the truths! Because of Not standing for the ordinances during the days of the Children of Israel many priests although present during the 1000 year reign, will suffer great loss! Ref. Ezk. 44: 5-16. Let all not be fooled every ordinance of the Lord is important and worth defending!!! Pastor Gray Anchor Baptist Lincoln, CaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149044849564158862006-05-30T20:07:00.000-07:002006-05-30T20:07:00.000-07:00Josh,In order of your questions: Most likely they...Josh,<BR/><BR/>In order of your questions: Most likely they were not saved, making their baptism a moot point. They hadn't received the Holy Spirit, and surely John would have taught that, having seen the Holy Spirit descend upon Christ at His baptism Paul asked about their Spirit indwelling to guage their spiritual status, and that revealed their not having been saved. It's also possible, seeing their ignorance on the Holy Spirit, that they weren't baptized of John, but that they were given a baptism "Unto John's baptism," not actually his baptism. This was probably some John the Baptist group that had started, made up of unsaved people.<BR/><BR/>Anyone the church gives authority can baptize, like Philip with the eunuch in Acts 8.<BR/><BR/>A church is an assembly of immersed believers (Acts 2:41). Believers are water baptized into the church (1 Cor. 12:13). All born again believers are not the "church" because all born again believers do not ever assemble. The church is an assembly. The "body of Christ" is also local only (1 Cor. 12:27, the only place that defines the body of Christ). In no place does the Bible say the church is all believers or non-baptized believers. It says only they were baptized believers.<BR/><BR/>Churches starting churches is the model---see Acts 13, 15. Even the apostle Paul himself did not go to start without church authority. Since the church alone can baptize, as that is where the authority comes from (see Mt. 28:18-20, 16:18,19---all authority given to Christ, passed on to the church, Rom. 10:14-17---unless they be sent, sent by what or whom?). If we regulate our practice by a sufficient Scripture, then we follow a Scriptural model, and follow Christ's example to receive Scriptural authority.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149042636065069442006-05-30T19:30:00.000-07:002006-05-30T19:30:00.000-07:00Didn't Paul imply that "John's baptism" wasn't suf...Didn't Paul imply that "John's baptism" wasn't sufficient in Acts 19:3-5 ? <BR/><BR/>Also, if Jesus gave "baptismal authority" to the church, not just certain individuals, then who in the "church" has that authority? Just a pastor? <BR/><BR/>Also, what makes a "church"? according to scripture? Aren't all born again believers the "church?"<BR/>Where does the Bible teach that a church must be formed by another church?<BR/><BR/>I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if we're truly "Bile Believers", then let then let's see clearly what the Bible says, not just what our seminary or traditions told us.Bro. Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03168447938636224045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149035738077171122006-05-30T17:35:00.000-07:002006-05-30T17:35:00.000-07:00One thing I'm loving about my blog is when people ...One thing I'm loving about my blog is when people give my answer befoer i can give it. I mean that! Yes! Good job!Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149032400411966652006-05-30T16:40:00.000-07:002006-05-30T16:40:00.000-07:00I don't believe we should worry about who's in and...<I>I don't believe we should worry about who's in and who's out.</I><BR/><BR/>How can we separate from false teachers, false churches, and false brethren if we don't know who they are? There are some pretty clear commands on separation in the NT. If we love the Lord, we need to obey them.<BR/><BR/><I>I think God looks at our doctrinal differences and says, "You are majoring on the minors. You just don't get it."</I><BR/><BR/>Having a <B>LOVE</B> for the Truth means a <B>HATRED</B> for error and falsehood.<BR/><BR/>Doctrine a "minor"? There are some doctrines that are foundational to the Christian faith - I certainly wouldn't say those are of minor importance. If someone does not believe the fundamentals of the Christian faith, they are neither saved nor Christian. For example, if someone rejects the deity of Christ, or rejects His finished work on the cross of Calvary, or believes he can add his own works to what Jesus has done - in all three instances that person is NOT saved.Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149021887461691012006-05-30T13:44:00.000-07:002006-05-30T13:44:00.000-07:00Great post. I think a lot of professing Christian...Great post. I think a lot of professing Christians minimize the significance of this church ordinance, and that does not speak well of their Christianity.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11879718171217215602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1149003510431544552006-05-30T08:38:00.000-07:002006-05-30T08:38:00.000-07:00I think that most Christians know more about and c...I think that most Christians know more about and certainly worry more about who Jesus was than they do what Jesus taught about what we should become.<BR/><BR/>I don't believe we should worry about who's in and who's out. I believe that we should worry about doing to the work of our Lord here on earth.<BR/><BR/>I think God looks at our doctrinal differences and says, "You are majoring on the minors. You just don't get it."Lynn Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14758458143823510696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1148962277362862962006-05-29T21:11:00.000-07:002006-05-29T21:11:00.000-07:00I appreciate your answers to these questions.I was...I appreciate your answers to these questions.<BR/><BR/>I was thinking today about a post I would like to make some time in the future. Then I was thinking about the types of responses I anticipate. And I determined that my answer to some responses would have to be: "Exceptions do not prove truths to be untrue." In other words, "Just be cause a generalization is not unilateral, doesn't mean it is not true, generally."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this post.Jeff Voegtlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718288010688756299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1148939462671973892006-05-29T14:51:00.000-07:002006-05-29T14:51:00.000-07:00Philip Henry, father of Matthew Henry wrote for hi...Philip Henry, father of Matthew Henry wrote for his children their baptismal statement.<BR/>"I take God to be my chief end an highest good.<BR/>I take God the Son to be my prince and Savior.<BR/>I take God the Holy Spirit to be my sanctifier, teacher, guide, and comforter.<BR/>I take the word of God to be my rule in all my actions and the people of God to be my people under all conditions.<BR/>I do hereby dedicate and devote to the Lord all that I am,<BR/>All that I have,<BR/>and all I can do.<BR/>And this I do deliberately, freely, and forever."<BR/><BR/>Sounds very similar to marriage vows of today. But, then isnt that what it should be? The body of believers togeather in God's Church are the Bride of Christ. They faithfully await His return to claim His bride. What better thing may we await? Only those baptized with authority can hold that claim. If you question you future better check on that authority. <BR/>"As for me and my house we will serve the Lord". <BR/><BR/>Excellent post Pastor B. I loved it all. Wish I could find something to "prod" you on but just could'nt do it!<BR/><BR/>Blessings from the Hill<BR/>RuthRuthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410800908419272090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1148937824453082752006-05-29T14:23:00.000-07:002006-05-29T14:23:00.000-07:00You are always welcome to ask through your hat or ...You are always welcome to ask through your hat or otherwise. This is at least a succession of baptism. No chain link, I believe, can be shown historically, but Scripture promises unbroken succession from Christ. Churches should start from churches, not unilaterally. I'm advocating authoritative baptism based on these passages. There is no example in the NT of anyone baptizing without authority.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1148929383714366242006-05-29T12:03:00.000-07:002006-05-29T12:03:00.000-07:00I purposefully didn't get practical, and now look ...I purposefully didn't get practical, and now look what you've done. I chose my words carefully, and didn't use the word "line" but "heritage." To start, I have a hard time getting out from under the verses above. For that reason, I think everyone should strive not to make exceptions the reality. It was a lot simpler when John the Baptist was the only guy on the block. I would suggest to anyone, that if there are any questions, they get it done right. If Jesus walked 70 miles, and He's the King of Kings, then we should be willing to get wet again to be obedient, which is another feature of His baptism. This was exactly where He heard from the Father that the Father was well-pleased with Him. When we accept a wrong baptism, we legitimize whoever it is as an authority. We should again try no to do that.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1148928725758333342006-05-29T11:52:00.000-07:002006-05-29T11:52:00.000-07:00How does this work out in a hypothetical situation...How does this work out in a hypothetical situation? What if?? there was a group of believers that learned from Scripture that they should be a church. They organized themselves and then grew into a large congregation - a Baptist congregation (Baptist by conviction, from the Scriptures). Should their baptisms be considered "illegitimate" because of their history. Or are they acceptable because of their beliefs. <BR/><BR/>I love theory and philosophy, but I also like to see how it works its way out.Jeff Voegtlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718288010688756299noreply@blogger.com