tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post1148714596981879930..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: I Don't Choose What Distinguishes Our Church, But It Still DoesKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-33949971339782236002015-02-17T21:48:46.498-08:002015-02-17T21:48:46.498-08:00I wanted to clarify that my "Amen" was t...I wanted to clarify that my "Amen" was to the original post – I put the comment and when there were not any other comments yet. It has nothing to do with any of the comments that followed.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-66038472852870171602015-02-17T19:14:06.966-08:002015-02-17T19:14:06.966-08:00"Oh George..."
The sole purpose of &quo..."Oh George..."<br /><br />The sole purpose of "pastoral authority" is in direct violation of “the deeds” and “the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing God hates” (Revelation 2:6, 15). Nicolaitans by the revelation of Jesus Christ in Revelation 2:6 and 15 and by the very definition of the word, are ministers who teach and establish doctrine, whose sole ideology is to create and institute regulations and dogmas to control and conquer the common laity of the church, by establishing a hierarchical structure that creates levels of recognition within the church contrary to the Bible (pastor, associate pastor, minister of music, reverend, Dr.) where the ministry is on top, and all others beneath are subservient to the those at the top.<br /><br />God hates this ministerial doctrine that elevates the ministers to shepherds for hire and delegates all the congregation as sheep that are subservient to the shepherd, “WHOSE OWN THE SHEEP ARE NOT” (John 10:12). But these ministers are not shepherds, but rather are those whom Christ Jesus spoke against when he established the dual New Testament doctrinal principles that,<br /><br />“The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling,<br /> and careth not for the sheep.” <br />-John 10:13<br /><br />“There shall be one fold,<br /> and ONE SHEPHERD.”<br />-John 10:16<br /><br />Therefore, there are no other "shepherds" in the NT church contrary to all the unbiblical teachings of such.<br /><br />Therefore, "Oh George..." is no response anymore than giving me the "standard line" of teaching by using verses to prove what is not so about "pastoral/ecclesiastical authority" (EX: Pastor = Bishop when a pastor is a man that could be single [Jeremiah 17:16 cf. 16:2]) The Preacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555338497068482867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-51116388872261576432015-02-17T14:49:25.590-08:002015-02-17T14:49:25.590-08:00"There is no such thing in the body of Christ..."There is no such thing in the body of Christ, his church."<br /><br />Oh George...Farmer Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09637851494862726991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-73781767130653318252015-02-16T09:42:04.630-08:002015-02-16T09:42:04.630-08:00" How does this play into pastoral authority?..." How does this play into pastoral authority?"<br /><br />There is no such thing in the body of Christ, his church.The Preacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555338497068482867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-27884020707548067752015-02-16T05:44:27.819-08:002015-02-16T05:44:27.819-08:00Amen.Amen.KJB1611https://www.blogger.com/profile/09696273086955004524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-36956142772337681022015-02-16T04:51:04.582-08:002015-02-16T04:51:04.582-08:00It's a great list, by the way. I consider mys...It's a great list, by the way. I consider myself rather fortunate that, my entire saved life, I've always managed to fall in with 'that crowd'. It has been my honor to serve alongside those that are an embarrassment to mainstream Christianity.Michael S. Alfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01662467336357195633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-69834615462879101002015-02-15T04:36:33.711-08:002015-02-15T04:36:33.711-08:00I would be interested in hearing more about this l...I would be interested in hearing more about this line, "The men make the decisions of our church."<br /><br />What men and what decisions? How does this play into pastoral authority? Do you bring significant issues to the male members of the assembly for discussion before decisions? As an FYI after the decision? I am curious about your polity in this area.<br /><br />The typical position on men and women I have heard in legitimately faithful churches that agree with every other position you stated seems to be one of weakness. The greatest fear is offending women.<br /><br />I have heard so many times that men should never "criticize" their wives, which is then defined as telling them they are wrong in some area and need to change what they are doing. Never have I heard preaching that a boss should never criticize his employees, parents should not criticize their children, or pastors should not criticize their people. The husband and wife is the only area where the leader has to abdicate all power. That seems problematic, and it ignores sanctification.<br /><br />Interested in what you have to say about these things.Farmer Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09637851494862726991noreply@blogger.com