tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post114465016822919510..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: More on the Debate: The Big IfKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-47741330032559768602008-09-26T20:40:00.000-07:002008-09-26T20:40:00.000-07:00Kent, I think you would have a very hard time expl...Kent, <BR/><BR/>I think you would have a very hard time explaining John 15 and Romans 11. I also wonder what your thoughts on Hebrews 10:24-31 and the parable of the sower??<BR/><BR/>CharlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144869626664744502006-04-12T12:20:00.000-07:002006-04-12T12:20:00.000-07:00I was a little surprised to see that Mr. Hafley co...I was a little surprised to see that Mr. Hafley commits such an obvious fallacy. Is it true that someone might not continue in the faith? Of course. But from that, to argue that God will then not reconcile that person is wrong. Dead wrong. And this passage does not say so. The passage argues that if you continue, etc., then God has (already) reconciled you to present you holy and unblameable, etc. That is grace, and evidence of salvation. The passage is speaking of faith and works. The passage does not argue that if you don't continue, then God has not reconciled you and will not present you blameless. In logic, we call that denying the antecedent. It would be the same as arguing that "If I am a father, then I am a man. I am not a father, so I am not a man." So clearly, Mr. Hafley and anyone who uses this passage as a proof text abuses their audience and inserts what they want into the text. Meanwhile, how does one continue in the faith grounded and settled? We can because Christ has reconciled us in order to present us holy and unblameable and unreprovable. And we will by faith! Are we holy and unblameable and unreprovable? In his sight we are. God calls those things which be not as though they were (Rom 4:17)! Glory to God!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144762614202698722006-04-11T06:36:00.000-07:002006-04-11T06:36:00.000-07:00Well done Mr.B,pardon...Pastor Brandenburg. I real...Well done Mr.B,pardon...Pastor Brandenburg. I realize we all have the freedom of choice in how and where we worship. So, am I to assume you are referring to "Southern, Texas, etc Baptist?" It has always been my understanding they preach once saved always saved;Holy Trinity, etc. I do know in the past years SBC has had some major problems. But that is the doing of man and not God. There are a multitude of biblical translations..I'm gonna go out on a limb and say..you would never approved of any of them? Then there are the"new found ones"....The Book of Judas? But of course you would know that.<BR/>Can't say I ever heard of that "cemetary". So, do you have a Masters degree? <BR/>And, I am greatly impressed that you do have a sense of humor...I feel somewhat encouraged.<BR/>Blessings of the day..Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410800908419272090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144728958624964922006-04-10T21:15:00.000-07:002006-04-10T21:15:00.000-07:00Ruth,2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babb...Ruth,<BR/>2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. The idea of shun would not be in the context of debate, but in the context of don't fellowship with these people. God is certainly the Father of all men in one sense, and does say that one time in Scripture---Ephesians 4:6, "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." But that He is your Father, the source from which you came, does not guarantee that you are His child. Ruth, John 1:12 says, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." The children of God become so by faith. 1 John 5:1 says, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." You become born of God by believing that Jesus is the Christ, that is, that He is Lord and Savior, the Messiah of the world. Anyone that does not believe in Him is not born of God, nor a child of God.<BR/><BR/>I went to Maranatha Graduate School of Theology. An independent Baptist is someone who has the Bible as sole authority for faith and practice and is not under any association, convention, or other type of religious hierarchy. Ruth, I wrote like that with a sense of humor. I hope you realize that...smiles.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144723854795239052006-04-10T19:50:00.000-07:002006-04-10T19:50:00.000-07:00Well...Mr.B..I will give you that the bible teache...Well...Mr.B..I will give you that the bible teaches "once saved always saved'..be it in Greek or English; but please correct me IF I am wrong..( like I think you would'nt) but is'nt there a scripture that goes something like.."don't keep on babbling..' Matthew 6:7. I realize it is in reference to prayer, but perhaps it could be applied to other things. Perhaps in Luke 9? Jerimiah 8:9? Or I guess my favorite is 1 Corinthians:20. Tell me Mr.B which are you? In reading your Blog just which "cemetery" did you go to get ur lernin? what kind of books? What is an "indipendint'Babtist? 4 gurlz? Tell me Mr.B...do I know what you are saying? And, no you do not know me nor do I know you. Except to say...We are all children of the same God.Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410800908419272090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144722547987018762006-04-10T19:29:00.000-07:002006-04-10T19:29:00.000-07:00Jeff,I don't know what Michael meant by that, but ...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>I don't know what Michael meant by that, but I'm going to predict he didn't mean it like it came out. The English is not bad. Translation does not always catch the nuances of the original language, but it doesn't make it bad. It is bad, however, and maybe this is what he meant, when someone doesn't study and look up words and then makes arguments from the English when the Greek says something totally opposite. They obviously are not representing the translation or the Greek, so the English isn't bad; their interpretation is bad.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144722385154249322006-04-10T19:26:00.000-07:002006-04-10T19:26:00.000-07:00Hi Ruth. Do I know you? Paul debated. Reasoning...Hi Ruth. Do I know you? Paul debated. Reasoning from the Scripture is part of spiritual warfare. The Bible has only one interpretation. It can't both teach you can lose your salvation and you can't lose your salvation. The Bible clearly teaches eternal security. By debating, not only can you preach a true gospel, but you also earnestly contend for the faith. The truth will stand up under scrutiny. Wanting to win the debate is not an ego thing, Ruth. What do you think of the ego of calling someone ego-headed? Having confidence in Scripture and seeing false doctrine as foolish is not ego-headed.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144702390913597192006-04-10T13:53:00.000-07:002006-04-10T13:53:00.000-07:00Michael McNeilly said: Studying Greek makes our En...Michael McNeilly said: <I>Studying Greek makes our English look really bad."</I><BR/><BR/>My question is what English looks bad? My English grammar? My English Bible? This could be an unnerving statement. I need some clarification. From either Kent or Michael.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,Jeff Voegtlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16718288010688756299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144698617507607262006-04-10T12:50:00.000-07:002006-04-10T12:50:00.000-07:00Ok...Mr.B....I have followed this thing since I fi...Ok...Mr.B....I have followed this thing since I first heard about this Big Time Eternal Debate. I must tell you this whole thing is somewhat confusing. I read my bible; know about salvation, etc. From this side I almost say I see a case of two "inflated egos"...blasting away. So, my question being....how do I know who won? Is'nt it the Christian that actually wins?<BR/>Just sign me ..."Confused".Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11410800908419272090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1144684106284959702006-04-10T08:48:00.000-07:002006-04-10T08:48:00.000-07:00Well, no translation old or modern translates the ...Well, no translation old or modern translates the 1st class conditions "since," so you can't pin anything on the KJV really. "If" still indicates a condition in the English, which this is, and for someone who is saved, they should know that they must continue grounded and settled even though they also will. They must and will continue grounded and settled.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.com