tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post8750703441272823321..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Bibliology and Separation part twoKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-84969297130014109462009-09-26T23:26:43.157-07:002009-09-26T23:26:43.157-07:00It is interesting when we look at the publications...It is interesting when we look at the publications of the self-styled “scholars” of Fundamentalism that most of them are dedicated to attacking the KJV/TR. One of the reasons Neo-Evangelicals like MacArthur are read so widely is because the anti-KJV fundamentalists have failed their generation in producing good expository commentaries. Even the despised John R Rice managed to write 200 books including a number of decent commentaries. <br /><br />If we take Central Baptist Theological Seminary as a case study to note. Kevin Bauder and Roy Beacham have managed to produce one notable publication between them, One Bible Only? in 2001 which has the sole result of undermining confidence in the saints in the Bible. Pastor Harding says of Kevin Bauder that “may his tribe increase.” Personally, I hope the opposite. I have no doubt Bauder is an educated man by NE standards but to stand at the bematos and have One Bible Only? as the record of his “scholarship” is a frightening prospect. Other faculty members such as Jonathan Pratt, Jeffrey P. Straub, Thomas L. Zempel, and Daniel R. Brown have managed to produce a consistent zero. DBTS is equally inept and myopic in its attacks on the Bible. They can say what they want about DA Waite but he is light years ahead of them in producing non-KJV issue books. <br /><br />It would be great if CBTS and DBTS would produce something worthwhile for the body of Christ instead of perennially undermining the Scriptures. Jonathan Pratt puts on his blog that KJV/TR advocates are not characteristic of “scholarly fundamentalism” and “an indelible stain on the garments of modern-day fundamentalism.” You would think Pratt has a long publication history of expository scholarly publications after his name to exhibit such hubris! Clearly, he does not do irony!PS Fergusonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-49060333995067893612009-09-26T06:19:57.388-07:002009-09-26T06:19:57.388-07:00Brother Brandenburg,
To follow up to my previous p...Brother Brandenburg,<br />To follow up to my previous post about preaching on the canon of Scripture - I did some reading in preparation for that message & was shocked at what I found. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE), which is supposedly one of the most conservative & comprehensive sets available (the old set edited by James Orr) makes out the determination of canonicity to be entirely a human effort. The article on the OT canon starts "The problem of how we came by 39 books known as OT 'Scripture' is a purely historical investigation." The article on NT canonicity states that the early NT writers had absolutely no idea of producing Scripture when they wrote the books of the NT. With such unscriptural pronouncements, it is no wonder that today's "fundamentalists" take a rationalistic approach to the text of God's Word.Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-2427660434512669942009-09-26T05:44:03.717-07:002009-09-26T05:44:03.717-07:00Pastor Brandenburger,
I actually got around to cl...Pastor Brandenburger,<br /><br />I actually got around to clicking the link and reading Doran's blogspot (I'm assuming he's the one who wrote? His email is the one linked to contact). While I agree with his disagreement with double-inspiration in English, I still think the whole post had a "hysterical" feel to it - and I don't mean in the "ha ha hysterical" sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-2734448853517813792009-09-25T08:48:55.361-07:002009-09-25T08:48:55.361-07:00Brother Brandenburg,
I am preaching through John&#...Brother Brandenburg,<br />I am preaching through John's Gospel & plan to preach on the Canon of Scripture this Sunday. The initial text is John 14:25-26. I am amazed at the wealth of material the Scriptures provide for determining the canon, plus the warnings against those who do not receive or seek to edit it. I will probably post this message on our web site: calvarychurchcarrboro.org by Monday September 28. I may have to make it in 2 parts: "The mind will not receive what the seat cannot endure."Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-54865410598598260072009-09-25T05:34:38.774-07:002009-09-25T05:34:38.774-07:00Kent, my point is not that the KJV is a bad transl...Kent, my point is not that the KJV is a bad translation, even though my understanding is that (admittedly small) portions could be translated better. <br /><br />And obviously you and I would agree that the "several correct options" for translation must be a literal rendering that gives the fullest sense of the original. <br /><br />You're right about translation and preservation, after I submitted my comment, I thought that through. Obviously there are thousands of languages that as of yet have no translation at all, yet God has preserved His Word. <br /><br />I look forward to your next post.d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16157045358625649852009-09-24T21:18:03.503-07:002009-09-24T21:18:03.503-07:00d4,
We only have a scriptural basis for God prese...d4,<br /><br />We only have a scriptural basis for God preserving what He actually inspired. Of course, I haven't yet dealt with preservation in this series, so we're jumping the gun a little. I have a hard time with the idea that the KJV is a bad translation. Generation upon generation of dedicated, godly preacher, who know the Greek language, has accepted it as a good translation. Nothing is lost in the KJ translation. We've got English words that people don't understand and some phrases that are outdated---that's it.<br /><br />When you are talking about a translation, you are talking about something that is not absolutely precise. You've often got several correct options. You could have two different translations that are both right. I just preached in Luke 7 on Wed night and in verse 5, the verb, aorist active, is he built, speaking of what the centurion did for the Jews in building a synagogue for them. That's a good translation. However, there is an additional autos, "he," in the verse which makes the "he" emphatic. You could translate it, he himself built and that would be accurate. Do you get what I'm saying? The King James Version is accurate. It's just that men come along and think they are doing a better job now for various reasons.<br /><br />You can't say that an inaccurate translation means that we don't have preservation. We have the Words preserved in the language in which they are written.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-23615102912554344212009-09-24T11:44:40.671-07:002009-09-24T11:44:40.671-07:00In my view preservation encompasses quality of tra...In my view preservation encompasses quality of translation as well as the integrity of the source manuscript, no? If the TR is the only preserved source text, but we get a pretty good, very good, or even highly accurate translation of it, isn't something still lost? I know we have reference works and pastors (and even laymen) versed in Greek and Hebrew to help us with this with this, but unless the translation is 100% accurate from a 100% preserved manuscript, I don't have the complete Word of God in my own language, correct?d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16363046674380595542009-09-24T11:33:43.072-07:002009-09-24T11:33:43.072-07:00d4,
This post wasn't about the KJ translation...d4,<br /><br />This post wasn't about the KJ translation. Or translation philosophy. I'm just making sure that you knew that. On the first point, if people care, they'll know what the KJ says. It hasn't stopped my children. The ease in reading is not as important as the Words from which the translation comes. We start with wanting to have the actual Bible, and then we think about how well it is translated. It sounds like you're just wanting a translation that is easier to understand. The defined King James Version put out by D. A. Waite defines the harder to understand words.<br /><br />For the second question, I've got to ask a question. Do you know Hebrew? If not, then how would you know that Proverbs is a painfully bad translation? For the sake of answering the question, if you wanted to update some of the words to make it easier for today's audience, the thing that has held that back more than anything is the debate over the text. Textual criticism has cast doubt on what the words are, so that there is a desire to keep the translation just like it is by those who don't want that doubt. Obviously it's already been done in the NKJV, so in a ways with the first two questions you're asking why not use a newer translation from the same text. The NKJV attacks the text behind the KJV, which is not acceptable to those who believe in the doctrine of preservation---that's number one. And then there are other considerations.<br /><br />Third question, we don't know that we have the epistle to Laodecia. There are several different theories about what that epistle was and whether we still possess it. The fact that we don't know says that it is a non-canonical book.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-9300830675620392852009-09-24T10:31:54.817-07:002009-09-24T10:31:54.817-07:00Kent, a couple things, the first two, admittedly, ...Kent, a couple things, the first two, admittedly, not arguments from scripture. <br /><br />1. Why does God want us to read his word in a painfully archaic version of our own language? Personally, I can read Shakespeare and Donne and not miss a beat, so KJV language is fine for me. But for my neighbors and coworkers I have to do on the spot translation much of the time anyway just so they know what God is saying to them. Why? And no "His ways are past searching out" either. <br /><br />2. Why does God want his people to wrestle through painfully bad translation (i.e. certain portions of Proverbs) in even small portions of His Word?<br /><br />3. What was the epistle from Laodeicea that the church at Colassae was instructed to (presumably copy and) read in Colossians 4? Do we have it today?d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-52795382863609369482009-09-23T19:10:46.115-07:002009-09-23T19:10:46.115-07:00Pastor Brandenburger - See Dr. Webb's chapter ...Pastor Brandenburger - <i>See Dr. Webb's chapter on Mt 5:17ff in Thou Shalt Keep Them </i><br /><br />Is that a book or something? I dunno....like I always tell my wife, "reading is for sissies." ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-21492780412122585252009-09-23T14:42:00.720-07:002009-09-23T14:42:00.720-07:00Well stated, Joshua. I think you've nailed it...Well stated, Joshua. I think you've nailed it. I've been recently making the point of arguing about the principle over the person, since it's about God. I was comparing the relative silence on unpopular albeit widespread error.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-10278850543814662942009-09-23T14:35:07.135-07:002009-09-23T14:35:07.135-07:00I find it curious that when TR men lambast, reject...I find it curious that when TR men lambast, reject and call for separation from double inspirationists, it only takes one comment comparing the seriousness of their error with the CT position to demonstrate we aren't going far enough…<br /><br />But stranger still is that men holding the CT position arc up when they are treated in the same manner we treat Ruckmanites. TR folk seem to have a rep for being savagely opposed to error - but now we're being criticised for being (of all things) soft on Ruckman, but too hard on faithless judges of Scripture?<br /><br />I don't like ranking doctrine, and I don't like ranking errors either. Both are wrong. The CT error is vastly more widespread and damaging, but all false teaching eats like leprosy. They should be hated equally by all believers.Joshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-35588839672081493482009-09-23T13:49:43.236-07:002009-09-23T13:49:43.236-07:00Don,
I think I answered your comment here in a co...Don,<br /><br />I think I answered your comment here in a comment on the first post, so I refer you to that one.<br /><br />By the way, everyone, the two articles over at Burning Bush are excellent, especially the one by P.S. Ferguson. There are a wealth of quotes in there that are fabulous. He provided the link in his comment.<br /><br />Titus,<br /><br />This is the way I view it. We have the Greek and Hebrew words available, and we look to Mt 5 for that position, because jots and tittles don't refer to the translation. However, I believe that the Holy Spirit can point to the correct Words through a translation, just like He points to the correct books, even though men aren't reading Greek and Hebrew ones. The translations provide evidence of the veracity of the Greek words. That's how I view it. See Dr. Webb's chapter on Mt 5:17ff in Thou Shalt Keep Them ;-).Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-71877816575073923542009-09-23T13:41:35.471-07:002009-09-23T13:41:35.471-07:00Don Johnson - Well... so is that a good thing to d...Don Johnson - <i>Well... so is that a good thing to do?</i><br /><br />If your question is specifically about whether it is a good thing that Ruckman gives his followers certainty about the text, I'd say "yes." As has been strenuously pointed out above, this in no way constitutes approbation of Ruckman himself, or any of his other positions. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.<br /><br /><i>I think we need to be very clear about Ruckman and not give him any credence whatsoever.</i><br /><br />I would agree.<br /><br />Here's a general question for Pastor Brandenburger, or anyone else as well: Regarding the promise of the preservation of God's Words given in Psalm 12:6-7,<br /><br />"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."<br /><br />I would understand this to apply to beyond just the "original language manuscripts." For instance, I fully believe that I John 5:7-8 (the Johannine Comma) is Bible, it's as much the Word of God as John 3:16. I also understand that it has very little attestation in the Greek witness. However, it is found in the Vulgate Latin, the Old Latin, and in some of the early Western (i.e. Latin) patristics like Tertullian and Cyprian, indicating that they obviously had it in their Old Latin Bibles as far back as 200 AD. That's as far back as purely empirical evidences will carry us (though, I might add, it is further back than anything that relies up the Critical Text exemplars - Sinaiticus and Vaticanus - can claim). We understand preservation in the English (while, of course, rejecting Ruckman's double inspiration), so wouldn't the same apply for, say, the Old Latin witness as well?<br /><br />Why the excessive demand that something be in the Greek, or else it's not really real?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-20564580542938456532009-09-23T11:52:22.378-07:002009-09-23T11:52:22.378-07:00Eddie,
I'm fine with anonymity on certain occ...Eddie,<br /><br />I'm fine with anonymity on certain occasions and I'll give you that, even as you might understand why in certain instances anonymity is bad.<br /><br />I knew about that Ruckman quote and would be glad to have that be Ruckman's position. The quote itself is something that I do think about from time to time. I haven't actually written a piece that I believe reports what Ruckman himself believes, despite the now terminology, Ruckmanism. However, I have read other direct statements from Ruckman himself that contradict this particular statement in this book, leaving his position more ambiguous than the above supplied quote.<br /><br />Thanks for referring to the quote, however. I have read Riplinger and others with a clear double inspiration position, so we don't have to pin it on Ruckman. I also tire of the pounding on this issue at the exclusion of other more common ones, as it relates to the Bible (which I'm pointing out in this series).Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-44538393231943761572009-09-23T11:41:37.706-07:002009-09-23T11:41:37.706-07:00I am posting this anonymously and I hope that ever...I am posting this anonymously and I hope that everyone here will respect that and leave it that way. I do not want my name tied in any way to Peter Ruckman as a defender of his.<br /><br />As much as there is to criticize about him and his doctrine I think we should be careful to always deal truthfully even with those that we vigorously disagree with. Truth is still truth and we don't want to be guilty of not speaking truth.<br /><br />So, I am giving a quote from PS Ruckman himself. The following is from Theological Studies Volume II, Copyright 1998 by Peter S. Ruckman, page 781: "So our position is this: The King James Bible may not claim for itself the original inspiration of God, breathing through the men who spoke when they were copied down by a writer at the time they spoke. However, it can claim to be preserved without proven error in the universal language of the world . . ."<br /><br />Unless I am missing something this does not sound like "double inspiration" to me. <br /><br />Just thought this might aid the discussion.Eddie Haskellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-76780306673009556422009-09-23T00:05:20.815-07:002009-09-23T00:05:20.815-07:00Hey, guys, you are missing my point, I think. You ...Hey, guys, you are missing my point, I think. You may not have read any of my critiques of fundamentalists who are willing to give sops to the other side. I know Kent has, so perhaps he can comment on what I am saying.<br /><br />And I don't want to distract from Kent's main point here, so I'll leave this alone after this.<br /><br />My point is simply that there is a tendency to give some kind of grudging acceptance of individuals with whom you disagree if they at least support a point of view that you think is critically important. In the case of the fundamentalists and Driscoll et al, it is the Calvinism of Driscoll and Piper etc that they love, so they are willing to overlook or give some benefit of the doubt. I am asking those of you who are on the KJO side if something of the same kind of thing is going on with Ruckman. You reject Ruckman's methods, language, lifestyle, double inspiration, etc., BUT he at least gives certainty about the text.<br /><br />Well... so is that a good thing to do?<br /><br />I think we need to be very clear about Ruckman and not give him any credence whatsoever.<br /><br />But what you do with that is up to you.<br /><br />For Kent, do you think I am making sense on this point, or not?<br /><br />Maranatha!<br />Don Johnson<br />Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-78696285122923679952009-09-22T19:15:36.809-07:002009-09-22T19:15:36.809-07:00Don,
If you are sounding a warning to the effect t...Don,<br />If you are sounding a warning to the effect that I (and perhaps others) would consider Ruckmanism or those that hold it as potential brethren with which to have fellowship, I would find that fairly ridiculous. Saying that the Ruckmanite position is "better" than the CT position makes no provision for fellowship. It is simply a comparison. However, it does say something about why we would separate from those who hold the CT position. Yet, even then, I believe that many (perhaps most) hold the CT position out of ignorance, & therefore I am willing to converse & argue & show grace. That was my position at one time, but I did not know any better. I am glad that some men like D. A. Waite were willing to answer my questions in a gracious manner. I would have to say (and this is not an attack, but my personal experience) that I have received far more gracious treatment from the TR men I know that I have from CT men.Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-85435322522189507402009-09-22T14:36:05.813-07:002009-09-22T14:36:05.813-07:00Come on Don, no one is supporting Ruckman here. I ...Come on Don, no one is supporting Ruckman here. I pointed out earlier that no one touches him or his followers with a ten foot pole. One guy realising that Ruckmanism leaves people with certainty over the word of God doesn't qualify as hypocrisy in separation. <br /><br />It's just an observation, not a call for cooperation. I prefer JMac to Driscoll, but both are in critical error and I wouldn't be associated with either. The waverers use their comparisons to justify their following a false teacher. If Gary is advocating supporting Ruckman just because he's better than Ehrman Ill eat my King James Bible.Joshuanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-78305610743355368322009-09-22T11:36:14.634-07:002009-09-22T11:36:14.634-07:00Just an observation here for your consideration.
...Just an observation here for your consideration.<br /><br />And I do hear the call for separation from the many purveyors of doubt. In general I agree.<br /><br />But this thought that Gary puts forward, "However, I have to admit that, concerning the Bible in English, the Ruckmanite position is FAR BETTER than the Critical Text position" is essentially the same thought behind the toleration of men like Piper and Driscoll (especially Driscoll) by the confused and wavering fundamentalists.<br /><br />Remember what they say about Driscoll? "Well, he is crass, but I have to admit his theology is FAR BETTER than the Revivalist Fundamentalist." Essentially the same is said about Piper or any Conservative Evangelical.<br /><br />When it comes to our stance of cooperation or non-cooperation with any individual, it isn't the similarities that decide the issue it is the differences. How important are those differences? Are they of sufficient value to warrant a withdrawal of cooperation, support, affirmation, etc.<br /><br />I am not arguing with Gary here, he has simply provided a means of illustrating my stance. When it comes to Ruckmanites, zero tolerance. (I do agree with you, Gary, that some quite reasonable non-Ruckmanites are tarred with that brush by non-KJO types. That is unfortunate and wrong. But as far as I am concerned, it is irrelevant to my stance against Ruckmanites.)<br /><br />I hope that might help the discussion some.<br /><br />Maranatha!<br />Don Johnson<br />Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16248708721695453222009-09-22T11:30:24.867-07:002009-09-22T11:30:24.867-07:00Good comments all. I thought the Letis quote was ...Good comments all. I thought the Letis quote was interesting about data and dogma, good one P.S. Titus and Dr. Webb's comments were about the same thing. I liked the "version du jour" observation at the end.<br /><br />Mike, Ehrman and Pagels criticize the text, but I understand the technical aspect of your comment.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-91667510484111505812009-09-22T10:58:17.902-07:002009-09-22T10:58:17.902-07:00Brother Brandenburg,
I have never really thought a...Brother Brandenburg,<br />I have never really thought about the fact that "Ruckmanism" does leave people with a certainty about what the word of God is, & they are right as far as an English translation goes. I came to the Masoretic/Received Text position after having been trained to follow the Critical Text philosophy & position. I have been strongly "anti-Ruckmanism" because of the double-inspiration issue [as well as Ruckman's personal life, ungodly spirit, & crazy doctrines]. However, I have to admit that, concerning the Bible in English, the Ruckmanite position is FAR BETTER than the Critical Text position. The CT position not only undermines the King James but EVERY Bible, including whatever "version du jour" the CT crowd is promoting.Gary Webbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-86416900469294629162009-09-22T08:41:22.018-07:002009-09-22T08:41:22.018-07:00The double inspiration doctrine adds to the Bible ...<i>The double inspiration doctrine adds to the Bible even though leaving its adherents with complete certainty concerning God's Word. Others hold to aberrant bibliological doctrines that leave them reeling with uncertainty. We don't hear a peep about separation from those deviations from the same fundamentalists.</i><br /><br />Pastor Brandenburger, I agree. There appears to be a double standard at work here. One thing I've noticed in other venues is that "Ruckmanite" seems to be used as a catch-all to (wrongly) describe anyone who is KJV-Only. It seems, in many cases, to be purposefully used that way so that the KJV-Anti has <i>carte blanche</i> to ignore any arguments made for the TR/KJV by dismissing it as "Ruckmanite" even when it is not. <br /><br />I wonder if that could be the case with what you're describing in your first paragraph?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-61441105283958793552009-09-22T03:53:06.343-07:002009-09-22T03:53:06.343-07:00Hi Kent
Excellent post. As you know, it is anythi...Hi Kent<br /><br />Excellent post. As you know, it is anything and anyone but the King James people for SI and the BJU, CBTS, DBTS crowd. Their position is not biblical and not historical but it is the position of the "liberal and Romanist scholars" so thats all right. However, the Reformed Baptists and the Reformed Churches asserted that God indeed had given us His settled Word, “...being immediately inspired by God, and by his singular care and providence, kept pure in all ages, are therefore authentical” (WCF 1:8). As Dr. Theodore Letis opined,<br /><br />Some will fault me for not answering every objection of Carson’s, but it was only our intention to raise the old issue of presuppositions and to underscore the fact that this debate is not one between experts with data and non-experts with dogma, but rather one between experts with the same data, but different dogma—the dogma of neutrality versus the dogma of providence… (pp. 201-204). [From, The Majority Text: Essays And Reviews In The Continuing Debate, the essay, “In Reply to D.A. Carson’s ‘The King James Version Debate’ ”.]<br /><br />May I also add for those interested that the latest edition of the Burning Bush Theological Journal is now online. It deals with:<br /><br />(1) ERRORS IN THE KING JAMES VERSION? A RESPONSE TO WILLIAM W COMBS OF DETROIT BAPTIST SEMINARY (Dr Jeffrey Khoo)<br /><br />(2) PRESERVATION OF THE BIBLE: PROVIDENTIAL OR MIRACULOUS? A RESPONSE TO JON REHUREK OF THE MASTER’S SEMINARY (Dr Paul Ferguson)<br /><br />http://www.febc.edu.sg/BBVol15_2.htmPS Fergusonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-3108560600207335862009-09-21T21:38:57.145-07:002009-09-21T21:38:57.145-07:00Erhman might be a text critic, but Pagels isn'...Erhman might be a text critic, but Pagels isn't.Mike Aubreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04335768638306462369noreply@blogger.com