tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post6660999254696901029..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Church Growth HypocrisyKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-8733098897746418102010-01-01T20:01:41.997-08:002010-01-01T20:01:41.997-08:00In reading the link to which Fred's post goes,...In reading the link to which Fred's post goes, I saw that Dr. Brandenburg believes in Lordship Salvation. Would you be willing to explain what you meant there, as sometimes people from different churches or theological backgrounds will have different definitions for the same terms (for instance, I hold to open communion which means that those in communion with Christ are welcome to partake, while some might say "open" means "all persons partake, whether they are Hindu, Mohammedan, &c".) I do have one understanding of lordship salvation that may or may not be the one to which he referred, so this is just for clarification purposes.Claymorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-79901508401242192532009-12-27T19:21:15.617-08:002009-12-27T19:21:15.617-08:00Consider yourself answered<a href="http://hipandthigh.blogspot.com/2009/12/fundy-flame-throwers-and-other-delights.html" rel="nofollow">Consider yourself answered</a>Fred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16523376495991622852009-12-16T14:51:06.222-08:002009-12-16T14:51:06.222-08:00Just posted an amazing quote by MacArthur on music...Just posted an amazing quote by MacArthur on music at <a href="http://jacklamb.name/>my blog.</a><br /><br />Just another example of writing books, but not practicing truth.Jack Lambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07327209995254633495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-50366790181986979762009-12-03T20:11:05.328-08:002009-12-03T20:11:05.328-08:00Kent:
Good article and demonstrates the inconsist...Kent:<br /><br />Good article and demonstrates the inconsistency and double-standard in MacArthur’s ministry. His Resolved conferences, the Rock music in particular, cuts against the grain of his preaching against worldly forms of worship. Really glad you referenced the Peter Master’s article. The JMac camp basically brushed it aside. Here is the link for your readers to avail themselves of it.<br /><br /><i><b><a href="http://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/?page=articles&id=13" rel="nofollow">The Merger of Calvinism with Worldliness</a></b></i><br /><br />At the pro-evangelical blog Sharper Iron JMac’s music choices was discussed at length about two years ago. I believe it was Scott Aniol and Mike Harding, no lightweights on music themselves who brought out the inconsistency with documentation on MacArthur’s inconsistency. Phil Johnson objected, but when he was shown irrefutable proof of that inconsistency with JMac he said he would speak to MacArthur about it and departed post-haste. That was the last time anyone heard from Phil on the subject<br /><br />You also noted, “<i>In other words, no substantial defense, just name-calling and blatant arrogance.</i>”<br /><br />Exactly! Elitism, sarcasm and arrogance are Phil Johnson’s primary debate tools.<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-66304065703378608722009-12-02T14:11:45.929-08:002009-12-02T14:11:45.929-08:00Great post, Bro Kent. I was speaking with a cowork...Great post, Bro Kent. I was speaking with a coworker just yesterday about some problems with McArthur, and you hit the nail right on the head! I am going to forward this to him. God bless.Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-60385645831391324482009-12-01T22:23:34.818-08:002009-12-01T22:23:34.818-08:00I think we need a debate on what is acceptable in ...I think we need a debate on what is acceptable in worship to God. For the judging panel, I nominate Cain, Nadab, Abihu, Uzzah, Saul and Uzziah. They should be able to weigh the perspective of those who think God uncritically accepts whatever we are pleased to give Him in whatever manner we choose to offer it through the lens of experience.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03759513028364776662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-33532974498520568492009-12-01T09:29:59.296-08:002009-12-01T09:29:59.296-08:00Great article Pastor B. JMac's duplicity smac...Great article Pastor B. JMac's duplicity smacks against Phil. 1:10 - Paul prayed for the Philippian believers to approve things which are excellent, and be sincere and without offense. Sincerity is being open and honest, pure, hiding nothing. This is what we should want in every area of our lives, and this is the only way to live now so that we aren't ashamed at the judgment seat of Christ.<br />The only JMac book that I have is "The Charismatics: A Doctrinal Perpective" - and this is a good read, although he does have some errors (like the closing of the canon occured in the 4th century). I got turned off when I got hold of his "Murder of Jesus" book where he was messing with the blood issue. He is a good writer and Bible teacher, but I just don't want to go there.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11879718171217215602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-34824133491390318632009-12-01T08:52:23.652-08:002009-12-01T08:52:23.652-08:00Maybe MacArthur doesn't believe that all Chari...Maybe MacArthur doesn't believe that all Charismatics are heretics. There is a lot of bad stuff going on within Charismatic circles, but not all Charismatics are buying into that hogwash. Does McArthur's book teach that the gifts are no longer in operation? (I haven't read that one, but have enjoyed many others of his) That's the true divider of what makes Charismaticism right or wrong. Has God ceased giving those gifts, I don't think you can make a solid biblical argument for that.Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02742105802768625523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-64807461355683441652009-12-01T08:50:18.441-08:002009-12-01T08:50:18.441-08:00I'd be interested in hearing a rebuttal from t...I'd be interested in hearing a rebuttal from their side. A rebuttal that doesn't end with ad hominem attacks and straw men arguments. I believe the case is pretty plain already. I don't think we'll see that rebuttal.<br /><br />As it stands I don't allow any John MacArthur in this house. I don't think I will either in the future (short of a confession and repentance on his behalf).<br /><br />Thank you for remaining diligent Br Brandenburg.<br /><br />Respectfully Submitted<br /><br />Br Steve<br /><br />Gal 2:20philipians2511https://www.blogger.com/profile/17196287320434925537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-87931554718085171272009-12-01T05:15:26.707-08:002009-12-01T05:15:26.707-08:00A very good article - I believe this describes the...A very good article - I believe this describes the emergent church (an oxymoron) quite well.<br /><br />Regarding making people feel "comfortable" I have known people to say that they respect a preacher who does this - in reality, they do not, for it is no true preacher who does not expose sin according to the command of Moses that we are to rebuke sin, and to not suffer it upon our neighbours. Paul re-iterates this in saying "them that sin rebuke before all". Solomon then says that the wounds of friends are faithful, but the kisses of enemies are deceitful. Ultimately, the best example is that of Christ, for nobody could say what needed to be said any better, and the people were still so angry with Him that they crucified Him. It should be enough for us to do the same. I have heard these people say that "the average worldly Christian (contradiction in terms) does not need to be 'beaten down'". In the same way, any physician will give a slap to a newborn who is not breathing, how cruel (permit me to take my tongue out of my cheek there). They may even say that God would not say such things - they may be right, for Jesus said nothing to Herod because he did not hear John the Baptist - if they will not listen to a true preacher, they will not listen to God. Ironically, Hebrews says that God scourges every son in whom He delighteth - the idea of the word "scourgeth" is that He "beateth".<br /><br />Only when Christians realise that their sins are infinite offenses against the holiness of God will they think differently. Conversely, if they are seeking Godliness, the pastor (or anybody else in touch with God) can say anything to them that might be hurtful to those who do not seek Him, and they will benefit from it. People may say that we have no friends from it, but that is far from truth - I have friends all over the world, and they all preach this way.Claymorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-69378909091430322092009-12-01T03:54:44.582-08:002009-12-01T03:54:44.582-08:00Amen! Oh how easy it is to see the sin in another...Amen! Oh how easy it is to see the sin in another, and yet miss the beam in one's own eye!Terry McGovernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07785714020219737129noreply@blogger.com