tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post612052228766827472..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Dialogue about Separation: The 2008 Dever-Minnick 9Marks Interview part oneKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-60314430285842651302011-02-14T21:58:19.162-08:002011-02-14T21:58:19.162-08:00Anonymous,
My position, and the biblical position...Anonymous,<br /><br />My position, and the biblical position, is the preservation of every Word God inspired, which are Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Please comment with some knowledge, OK? And if you are going to drive-by, then at least give your name.<br /><br />Thank you.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-3131471810025907082011-02-14T19:35:07.743-08:002011-02-14T19:35:07.743-08:00Preservation of God's Word is the preservation...Preservation of God's Word is the preservation of the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts, and not the English text of the last several hundred years. Why stop at the KJV? Why not take up Tyndale's Bible? It is not the King James Version that preserves God's Word. The English language is man's words, and cannot be taken on the level of God's inspired Words. The KJV is a good translation for its time, but it is not the representative of preservation of God's Word. Is God's Word Old English? The Church today continues to have the Holy Spirit, and God continues to proclaim His Word to all mankind, and in our time, thankfully!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-84843797167778435582008-12-29T18:23:00.000-08:002008-12-29T18:23:00.000-08:00Hi Kent...I'm sure you don't remember me, but I fo...Hi Kent...<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you don't remember me, but I found your blog and wanted to say hi. I remember you from when you lived in Covington, Indiana and we both attended First Baptist Church. We were also in the same class. My name was Valerie Keller at that time. I don't remember what grade we were in when your family moved away but I can still remember what your dad (Terry,) mom and sister Kim looked like. Keep up the great work! Valerie White (valeriewhite@marykay.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-60425847666008280172008-07-02T11:42:00.000-07:002008-07-02T11:42:00.000-07:00Kent-Good, thoughtful post. I was really, really ...Kent-<BR/><BR/>Good, thoughtful post. I was really, really surprised at the tone that Minnick took in the interview, although I do think that part of it was knowing that he'd be representing BJU and his church [and fundamentalism] to a skeptical crowd. That being said, I was really surprised by Dever's attitude - he really came across as someone who wanted to learn and know about Fundamentalism, and I expected a more skeptical outlook from Dever.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10685684588191291542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-63572443111053381692008-06-16T12:54:00.000-07:002008-06-16T12:54:00.000-07:00Don,I let the comment stand on its own because I b...Don,<BR/><BR/>I let the comment stand on its own because I basically agreed with it, although I could have commented to show a nuance of difference with it. Here's why I agreed. The evangelicals don't separate from one another, because they don't separate. So it is true that they all get lumped together.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure that Minnick separates from the Hyles types, but it didn't come out in his interview. I would have spoken up for Minnick, but he didn't speak up for himself.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-89638129340265443322008-06-16T07:53:00.000-07:002008-06-16T07:53:00.000-07:00Hi KentWe have a lot of agreement on this, but I d...Hi Kent<BR/><BR/>We have a lot of agreement on this, but I don't agree with tjp's comments. First, I think there is very little criticism of evangelicals because of what some other lunatic who claims to be an evangelical is doing. For example, no one criticizes Dever as an evangelical because of Roger Mouw's comments to the Mormons a few years ago. Just because two men take the same label doesn't make them linked.<BR/><BR/>Where evangelicals are criticized, and rightly so, is when they cooperate with, i.e., lend their name to events, become partners with, men who have serious issues as Dever regularly does with such as Mark Driscoll and the Whiteboard Sessions.<BR/><BR/>The same legitimate criticism can be applied when our own Ron Hamilton shows up in Hammond.<BR/><BR/>But the mere sharing of labels is nothing. If that were so, we would all have to dispense with the label "Christian" because of all the lunatics who claim to be one.<BR/><BR/>Maranatha!<BR/>Don Johnson<BR/>Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-79714312796620030162008-06-13T12:05:00.000-07:002008-06-13T12:05:00.000-07:00"Minnick seemed shackled by the expectations of po..."Minnick seemed shackled by the expectations of political fundamentalism, being very cautious in answers, afraid of who he might offend. Dever even picked up on this, saying at one point that he didn’t want to get Minnick in trouble with his group. That was sad really and a testimony to one of the major ills in fundamentalism. Out of fear of getting branded, men often don’t say what they think. "<BR/><BR/>Good observation...I got the same impression. The fear of man is so strong in fundamentalism. However, I was still glad to see that he was willing to talk with Dever, though Minnick probably got nailed by some of the old guard BJU people. Good post.Reforming Baptisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14846318789174330210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-55250608486307388772008-06-13T11:47:00.000-07:002008-06-13T11:47:00.000-07:00TJP or Don,I can't disagree with either of your po...TJP or Don,<BR/><BR/>I can't disagree with either of your points. I won't comment because they speak for themselves.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-65789354673598148152008-06-12T22:38:00.000-07:002008-06-12T22:38:00.000-07:00I listened to the interview; and, for the life of ...I listened to the interview; and, for the life of me, I couldn't make heads nor tails of what Minnick was saying. If he represents card-carrying separatism, then it's a separatism with burying.<BR/><BR/>I found Minnick's remarks about speaking to the "fundamentalism he knows" a little self-serving. Would to God Mark would permit the same latitude among conservative evangelicals to cherry pick their associations and speak to the evangelicalism they know. <BR/><BR/>I can't count the times I've heard Jones-style fundies tee-off on conservative evangelicals simply because such men remained identified with the unsavory elements within evangelicalism, even though such "compromisers" have denounced the broader evangelicalism and said it wasn't THEIR evangelicalism. <BR/><BR/>Yet Minnick astoundingly asserts he can remain identified with the more aberrant elements within fundamentalism (cherry-picking the elements he likes and ignoring the elements he doesn't) and yet remain uncompromised. <BR/><BR/>But conservative evangelicals can't. <BR/><BR/>Go figure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-91604541535329534422008-06-10T14:55:00.000-07:002008-06-10T14:55:00.000-07:00It's apparent that Dever picked the wrong guy for ...It's apparent that Dever picked the wrong guy for this interview from the beginnning. Minnick makes it clear that he would rather speak about his sectarian section of fundamentalism, which is the best in his opinion, than speak about the historical definition of fundamentalism. He seemed to know very little about fundamentalism really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com