tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post5174392423478190985..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Interpreting Trump and the Never or Anti TrumpersKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-41549373452192916972018-07-22T22:47:38.631-07:002018-07-22T22:47:38.631-07:00I agree with you, Kent! President Trump is doing a...I agree with you, Kent! President Trump is doing an amazing job!Baby Makarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00850974748715351583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-46174982949714739402018-01-15T08:52:42.582-08:002018-01-15T08:52:42.582-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alex A. Guggenheimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534710796711749227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-78673955698093093722018-01-15T08:52:15.839-08:002018-01-15T08:52:15.839-08:00Having watched the accusations of Trump kool-aid d...Having watched the accusations of Trump kool-aid drinking here, recently this got more discussion at SI and I'd say, for every one Rev.Jeffress (accepting the prosecution's argument) there are four kool-aid anti/never-Trumpers given over to hysterics.Alex A. Guggenheimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534710796711749227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-26979669439337861792018-01-03T12:27:20.869-08:002018-01-03T12:27:20.869-08:00Anonymous,
I think I know who Kevin is now, and i...Anonymous,<br /><br />I think I know who Kevin is now, and it's easy to understand now too. He's a very confused individual with a mixed up view of the world, an incoherent one. This can be seen in that he would not answer my arguments, for instance, the Thomas Jefferson one. If you look at Jefferson's portraits, he very often is dressed up in the effete, made-up French style in accordance with the French. He himself clipped out parts of the Bible in fitting with his own thinking and the father of several of Sally Hemming's children. In other words, he was vulgar. Is supporting the Declaration of Independence, therefore, vulgar? Kevin won't go there. He'll just say, "I won't argue with someone one in a logical mind loop," or some gobbledygook that doesn't answer anything. Jefferson was an anti-federalist, the strongest affirmer of states rights of the founders, along with his good friend, James Madison, who by assocation must agree with Jefferson on the Bible, on relations with female slaves, etc. Kevin won't answer this, at least right now, because it doesn't fit with this position he's got to cling to about Trump as a Never Trumper.<br /><br />Kevin says Trump is vulgar. What is more vulgar than evangelicalism today, and I suspect strongly that Kevin has no problem with vulgarity in churches. He doesn't like vulgar politicians, who are a class that are almost by definition vulgar, but is he fine with it in the church? I'd say he says the church has liberty, which says something about someone's so-called conservatism.<br /><br />Kevin says vulgar church good, vulgar politician bad, except for Jefferson, and several others in American history. Ultimately, it's not politically correct to support Trump, and the cool guys, the hipster wannabees, they have to have their reasons, and they pose on the political side, when it really is about their church situation. I could explain more but that's the gist of it.<br /><br />The anonymous amazing business success guy with the foul mouth likes Kevin and Kevin likes him probably very similarly. Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-11959188516565757662018-01-03T10:06:09.065-08:002018-01-03T10:06:09.065-08:00Is this Kevin guy for real? I find it hard to bel...Is this Kevin guy for real? I find it hard to believe that any person could really believe those things he supposedly does. I think he's having fun and he's punkin' us, as the kids would say. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-88354929129466301532018-01-03T09:27:13.562-08:002018-01-03T09:27:13.562-08:00Of course this is "fake news" and lies o...Of course this is "fake news" and lies of the dishonest media. In your mind at least. Keep drinking your Kool-aid http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-10948318257474038992018-01-03T09:16:24.128-08:002018-01-03T09:16:24.128-08:00By the way, it's still a free country in many ...By the way, it's still a free country in many ways, so more power to SI. If they want to be radically anti-Trump that is their prerogative. I don't mean anything personal or unkind, but I gave up that site a couple of years ago. It seems to have turned into nothing but an ad against Trump. I suppose I yearn for the days when the site had other stuff to offer other than just anti-Trump articles on a routine basis. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-10998894154482269212018-01-03T08:51:14.183-08:002018-01-03T08:51:14.183-08:00I am a firm Trump supporter and think he is a bles...I am a firm Trump supporter and think he is a blessing of God upon the nation for this time. <br /><br />I also am surprised that SI would link to any article that has anything even remotely good to say about the guy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16520874799883756232018-01-03T08:40:22.631-08:002018-01-03T08:40:22.631-08:00When someone describes Kent's support for Pres...When someone describes Kent's support for Pres. Trump as "your relationship with such a person tarnishes your faith and Christianity as a whole to non-believers" they do so with a vacancy of responsibility toward fairly qualifying the relationship on a number of points.<br /><br />Firstly, it is not an ecclesiastical one rather, one of civil establishment though how the Bible may frame the approach and perspective is offered, it is still what Luther referred to as left kingdom.<br /><br />Secondly, it comes with clear repudiation of Trump's moral failures while featuring his leadership benefits. <br /><br />Thirdly, it isn't a personal relationship, as I said, it is civil but to the none personal issue, this relieves Kent B., of the charge of tarnishing his faith to anyone.<br /><br />Failure to acknowledge and argue along those lines is simply moral posturing to those objecting a d a refusal to interact with the merits of KB's argument.Alex A. Guggenheimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534710796711749227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-21413040011808811272018-01-02T18:30:12.800-08:002018-01-02T18:30:12.800-08:00Kevin,
There's a difference between making a ...Kevin,<br /><br />There's a difference between making a strong statement and mocking, which I would hope you could know the difference. For instance, a young professing Christian anonymous has sworn at me in comments I haven't published, and I call him a coward for not including his name, and you call that unpastoral and mocking. I'm saying he's a coward for not including his name. That isn't mocking. It's staing the truth. Mocking is the kind of statements that you do, which I also know how to do, but I've refrained from it.<br /><br />You know who I am. I'm taking your comment, publishing, even though I have now idea who "Kevin" is -- this guy won't even put his name. OK, so you come on an insult me to my face and you expect me just to take it -- it's an interesting standard you have for pastors coming from the one making the insult. If you believe in it, you should just practice what you say your standard is. I haven't held myself up to the standard of just taking it from people. I don't Jesus doing that either. I'll let you attempt to conclude what that kind of behaviour is, that is, when you expect behavior that you don't follow.<br /><br />I'd be interested in your showing me anywhere where I denigrated any news source that doesn't agree with me. Any. <br /><br />Again, Kevin, you make zero argument. You are like watching MSNBC. The experience reading you and seeing them is the same. I could be hopeful for something substantive, but no.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-27979156983398192112018-01-02T16:01:49.455-08:002018-01-02T16:01:49.455-08:00Kent,
I'll make this my last comment as I gene...Kent,<br />I'll make this my last comment as I generally don't find that internet debates with people who exist in a closed, logical loop fruitful. Outside or new information bounces off you like bullets off Superman. You criticize me for not making arguments to support my case. Why waste my time? In an above comment you denigrated any news source as "propaganda" if they do not agree with your position. Everything inconvenient is "fake news." Maybe you learned that from Trump. It's a tactic long used by totalitarians- just deny any reality that you don't like as propaganda fabricated by your enemies. <br /><br />I'm really surprised that you are opposed to mocking people since you do it all the time on this blog. You just mocked Anonymous and called him a "coward" for not revealing his name. I've seen you do it many times before. I would be shocked if my pastor engaged in such rhetoric online or in person. <br /><br />Trump lies, plain and simple. It has been documented many times, in many places. I'm sure this is propaganda to you as well. If you want to adopt a Machiavellian political approach for temporary, short lived political gains, that is your right as a citizen, but it taints you. The world looks at you and sees a disparity between what your profess and who you support politically. It's not surprising that young people are turned off politics and Christianity when they see the two vulgarly welded together. The backlash against Trump will be severe. Democrats have already won races they generally would have no chance to win. Your position in the long run will be weaker because of your support for Trump. I certainly do understand and love conservatism, which is why I do not entrust it's care to the vulgarity that currently is our president.<br />Kevin<br />Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-19709068376575889272018-01-02T14:25:49.304-08:002018-01-02T14:25:49.304-08:00Kevin,
First, this comment is like the other one...Kevin, <br /><br />First, this comment is like the other one. It offers nothing, w whole paragraph of nothing, something akin to what Trump does sometime, that is schoolyard type of rhetoric, probably because it works. It is the primary material of the left, and the scoffers of 2 Peter 3.<br /><br />Second, I would guess I've changed more than you in my lifetime, and I can tell you what and when, major areas. I'd be happy to hear how you have changed. So, that's a lie. Many people who read here could testify of those changes, so you aren't much of a reader here.<br /><br />Third, the Babylon Bee uses satire to mock people, with the idea that they'll change if they're mocked, what seems to be your wheelhouse, the kind of warfare you would use, ironically like Trump often does too. Satan is pro-abortion and he would bake the cake.<br /><br />Trump is using the executive branch in helpful ways. He's not furthering my cause, which doesn't depend on changing my social status, but I would rather be free, yes. Thomas Jefferson was a corrupt man. Your thoughts? He wrote the Declaration of Independence. Trump probably has a stronger doctrinal statement than Jefferson. I don't see Jefferson as furthering my cause, Kevin, which I can't explain the level of inanity, nonsense, and absurdity of your argument.<br /><br />Kevin, I believe in what people call second degree separation, but I don't fellowship with Donald Trump. This isn't fellowship, that is, supporting what he ran on, and what he has done. That doesn't dawn you though. You see this as association that taints me, that supporting Trump means supporting his adultery and three marriages. You are falling for the leftists. They perceived that this would work and it has succeeded on such people as yourself. Supporting Trump doesn't make someone complicit in everything he has done. It just doesn't. I liked Mike Harding's comparison to Cyrus of Persia. You couldn't support the return to the land, because it would associate you with Cyrus. Not good, Kevin.<br /><br />I don't believe you understand conservativism. Trump at least supports protecting our borders and allowing Christ to be in the public square. You can be opposed to that so that you can not be tainted. This is the cutting off your nose to spite your face. Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-74266340702246925072018-01-02T13:47:21.752-08:002018-01-02T13:47:21.752-08:00Kent,
I've been following your blog long enoug...Kent,<br />I've been following your blog long enough to know that you won't change your mind about anything, and that's fine. Most people won't for well documented psychological reasons. The Babylon Bee wasn't offered as proof, but you already knew that, so you're attacking a straw man. It was merely my opinion that their satire is pretty close to reality in this situation. I understand you believe Trump is working to defend your point of view, but I really don't understand how any Christian can believe that a thrice-married adulterer who lies as easily as he breathes furthers your cause. You may win a few battles but your association with such a person tarnishes your faith and Christianity as a whole to non-believers. I say this, not as a liberal, but as a life-long conservative. <br />KevinKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-22654389843915395012018-01-02T13:37:18.061-08:002018-01-02T13:37:18.061-08:00Anonymous wrote me again, using foul language, whi...Anonymous wrote me again, using foul language, which for him is normal.<br /><br />I would like Never Trumpers or Anti-Trumpers to give coherent explanation, a convincing one. All I hear is akin to what Kevin wrote. The people who are supposedly giving the best material are horrible, and I'm talking about someone like Ezra Klein at Vox. They read like propaganda and at least severely duped individuals.<br /><br />Perhaps tomorrow I'll write something of an analysis of the type of guy "young people" might be into, if they are reading, because I think they mainly get their positions from foul mouthed late night comedians.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-51249440763097771342018-01-02T13:23:27.711-08:002018-01-02T13:23:27.711-08:00Kevin,
I think it's true that most professing...Kevin,<br /><br />I think it's true that most professing "Christians" today aren't biblical Christians.<br /><br />I liked your slurping and sycophantic, and Babylon Bee is the kind of proof that you have, probably about tops for what you have in the way of proof and by a wide margin. Enjoy that.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-88803612416281168982018-01-02T13:12:11.872-08:002018-01-02T13:12:11.872-08:00Thumbs up to anonymous. This sycophantic Trump-slu...Thumbs up to anonymous. This sycophantic Trump-slurping is truly disgusting by self- professed "Christians." I am reminded by a recent article on the Babylon Bee:<br /><br /> "Poll: Majority Of Evangelicals Would Support Satan If He Ran As Republican Candidate"<br /><br />It is truly sad how close to reality satire is in this particular instance.<br /><br />KevinKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-73721297475786812892018-01-02T13:06:34.296-08:002018-01-02T13:06:34.296-08:00Young people in this state can't get into a ho...Young people in this state can't get into a home because of the people you support, my friend. And they, it's true, keep supporting the people who are harming them, because they hold to all the trendy causes, that are utopian lies. This is you.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-62015897923674479192018-01-02T13:05:18.906-08:002018-01-02T13:05:18.906-08:00There is a real way to show disgust. Give your na...There is a real way to show disgust. Give your name. Anonymous is a weasel way to do it, and not a real way. It's a coward's way. You are. a. coward.<br /><br />Trump supporters aren't the ones living in the bubble. They understand what they are up against, truly. It's hard to describe someone who is fooled to your level, anonymous.<br /><br />If you don't see the snake being the Democrat party and then mainly establishment Republicans, what people have called RINO, Republican in name only, then you might be beyond help. Younger people leaving in droves to what? To the hipster crowd? They are self-serving people, who have swallowed the lie. They float along in the current and get upset if something causes a few ripples. That's who we're talking about with the young people.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-64420174445299846802018-01-02T09:15:01.762-08:002018-01-02T09:15:01.762-08:00There are no words for the stupidity of Alex G. Th...There are no words for the stupidity of Alex G. There is no real way to show enough disgust for the the action of taking someone's vulnerable words that wrote in an attempt to help other people and turn them against them in such an unfair, unjust way. Alex is despicable.<br /><br />So you Trump lovers just continue living in your bubble. You go ahead and think that everyone that has a problem with Trump is bitter and Pharisaical. You are going to eventually see what happens when you pragmatically support a snake just because he agrees with you politically. Already, younger people that can think are calling you out on your hypocrisy and leaving in droves. You may win the battle but you are losing the war. You are too dumb to see it but you will someday. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-81862221784276553972018-01-02T07:44:51.543-08:002018-01-02T07:44:51.543-08:00This article is too worthy of a debate on my earli...This article is too worthy of a debate on my earlier description but when it is responded to with a description as laughable I simply provide this, for the record.<br /><br />https://sharperiron.org/article/bitterness-happens<br />And from the article by Blumer:<br /><br />"I wish I could title this post “I Beat Bitterness and You Can Too,” but my battle with bitterness is ongoing—almost daily."<br /><br />I am not condemning anyone who has a struggle I'm pointing out that such struggles seem to go hand-in-hand with a refusal to acknowledge the achievements of others and put it in perspective the events around them<br /><br /><br />Alex A. Guggenheimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04534710796711749227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-11750337035228539232018-01-01T20:42:49.803-08:002018-01-01T20:42:49.803-08:00Those were his two points, both false -- lies. Pr...Those were his two points, both false -- lies. Proven lies.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-21675661808625084902018-01-01T20:42:06.282-08:002018-01-01T20:42:06.282-08:00He also said:
It is a LIE that the Russian collusi...He also said:<br />It is a LIE that the Russian collusion is bogus. Even if you want to deny the evidence, you Kent Brandenburg do not know enough about that situation to say it is bogus. That is just Trump-loving lying to claim that. You have no clue what you are talking about.<br /><br />I say,<br /><br />I'll be glad to retract saying that it is bogus, when there is evidence of collusion, which there hasn't been at all. Not at all. It's easy to see it's bogus, or something at least would have been leaked at this point. In addition, Harvard law professor, Alan Dershowitz, who voted for Hillary, says there is no crime against collusion, which makes it a bogus claim on that very root level. If there were a crime for collusion, then Hillary should be charged for paying for the dossier, produced mainly by Kremlin related actors.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-84383679108651548272018-01-01T20:28:09.197-08:002018-01-01T20:28:09.197-08:00I had an anonymous commenter, and I think he's...I had an anonymous commenter, and I think he's the same self-proclaimed business success, who won't publish his name. However, I find his comments interesting. He said this about my comment about the Rasmussen poll above:<br /><br />"It is a LIE that Trump's popularity is where Obama's was at this point. You are purposefully or ignorantly comparing two different polls to come up with that. Are you ignorant or a liar like the other Trump lovers that are trying to make this point?"<br /><br />OK, I made a very specific statement, which you can find at the Rasmussen Poll here: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/weekly_updates/what_they_told_us_dec30<br />On its final poll released Nov. 7, the day before Election Day, Rasmussen had Hillary Clinton up 2 points on Donald Trump. Clinton won the popular vote by 1 percentage point, even though Donald Trump beat her on electoral votes. No other pollster tracked by RealClearPolitics came as close to the final results.<br /><br />This is exactly what I said above. Exactly.<br /><br />He won't retract, of course, which makes him what?Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-75059492979144580972018-01-01T16:39:20.265-08:002018-01-01T16:39:20.265-08:00I just went over to the SI site, and Greg H calls ...I just went over to the SI site, and Greg H calls me a fraud. I guess I would want to know how, not just the name, but some kind of explanation for how I'm a fraud and what kind of fraud I am, based on my explanation above.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-13248130391373544672018-01-01T16:38:27.520-08:002018-01-01T16:38:27.520-08:00Alex,
I don't know Aaron's position. I&#...Alex,<br /><br />I don't know Aaron's position. I'm thinking about the Never Trumpers as a whole. No one individually comes to mind, but Bret Stephens wrote in the NY Times today that he wishes Hillary had won. This is a Never Trump, so-called conservative.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.com