tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post3039573546017017145..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: John MacArthur's Strange Fire ConferenceKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-45342992391973194482013-10-01T09:47:07.375-07:002013-10-01T09:47:07.375-07:00The charismatic movement can idolize spiritual exp...The charismatic movement can idolize spiritual experience over God himself. John Mac Carthur idolizes 'the truth' and 'sound doctrine' above God himself. His ultimate treasure is sound doctrine. clarencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-30264277005630132142013-07-02T21:45:34.408-07:002013-07-02T21:45:34.408-07:00Thanks Don. I appreciate it, and as well your apo...Thanks Don. I appreciate it, and as well your apology for using Wikipedia. I would have jumped all over that. Not really. Wikipedia is generally better than many books I read on subjects and has the opportunity to be shot down from many sides. I like using WikipediaKent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-19467511015338935092013-07-02T21:28:03.088-07:002013-07-02T21:28:03.088-07:00Well, its not a big point, but when you first wrot...Well, its not a big point, but when you first wrote that, I thought of commenting, but then checked Wikipedia and they seemed to contradict me also (not that they are the definitive source). However, I'm reading Marsden just now and came across this today. Marsden is very respected, I'm sure you know of some of his other books. I would tend to give a lot of weight to what he has to say.<br /><br />And no, this book isn't public domain, but it is really probably must reading if you want to understand the movements behind fundamentalism, the alliances, how the various groups interacted. When you hear people talking about "historic fundamentalist", reading this book will tell you most people haven't got a clue what they are talking about. The book is really worth studying thoroughly, probably worth making a class out of it so you can read it several times and really get a handle on the material. Important stuff on almost every page.<br /><br />Maranatha!<br />Don Johnson<br />Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-9806136398938698272013-07-02T09:43:47.476-07:002013-07-02T09:43:47.476-07:00These articles seem to back what I wrote:
http://...These articles seem to back what I wrote:<br /><br />http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/history-pentecostal-movement<br /><br />http://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/category/keswick-movement/<br /><br />http://are.as.wvu.edu/pentroot.htm<br /><br />http://www.unitypublishing.com/NewReligiousMovements/NewBrianCharismatics.html<br /><br />http://www.revival-library.org/pensketches/engpp_menu.php<br /><br />And more.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-16829867850376384632013-07-02T09:30:48.887-07:002013-07-02T09:30:48.887-07:00Hi Don,
I think it's always possible that som...Hi Don,<br /><br />I think it's always possible that some of these groups arose independently, but they seem to have the fundamentally same characteristic, that is, some kind of after justification event to reach a higher spiritual blessing, a second blessing.<br /><br />Is the Marsden book public domain?Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-11419569863040377562013-07-02T09:18:51.960-07:002013-07-02T09:18:51.960-07:00Hi Kent
I was struck by a point you made in this ...Hi Kent<br /><br />I was struck by a point you made in this post when I first saw it regarding the connection of Pentecostalism with Keswick theology. I think you are mistaken on this point, at least according to George Marsden. In his book, <i>Fundamentalism and American Culture</i> pp. 94-96, he discusses a sharp distinction between the Holiness movement (from which Pentecostalism sprang) and the Keswick movement. The two had similar roots, but there was a sharp distinction between the two.<br /><br />In addition, many Holiness groups strongly resisted Pentecostalism, even groups from which it had originally sprung. I think Charles Parham may have come from the group I grew up in, the Church of God (Anderson, Indiana). In any case, the CoG resisted tongues for many years. I can recall fights in their conference meetings when I was a teenager where my dad and my uncle among others were strongly opposing some who wanted to bring the tongues into the CoG.<br /><br />FWIW.<br /><br />Maranatha!<br />Don Johnson<br />Jer 33.3Don Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03332212749734904541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-82418686283320855882013-06-27T13:52:31.911-07:002013-06-27T13:52:31.911-07:00Brother Kent,
I appreciate your fight against thi...Brother Kent,<br /><br />I appreciate your fight against this Charismatic foolishness and carnality, for it is sensual not having the Spirit.<br /><br />Its basis is that "every man did that which is right in his own eyes" and its root is not having biblical final authority. Though John MacArthur is a good brother, he is a perpetuator of changing the bible and he and his church are beginning down the slippery slope of "strange fire" that infects many churches today.The Preacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555338497068482867noreply@blogger.com