tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post2554660542980316243..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Proving the Music Issue in the Worship War: Is there Holy Hip Hop? pt. 2Kent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-45308169511037859572013-12-04T14:37:58.719-08:002013-12-04T14:37:58.719-08:00Ken,
I agree.Ken,<br /><br />I agree.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-62889468932417118882013-12-04T14:37:02.676-08:002013-12-04T14:37:02.676-08:00Bill,
Thanks. If you say its worldly, they'l...Bill,<br /><br />Thanks. If you say its worldly, they'll ask why, and then you've got to explain why. They still won't accept it usually, but that's how it works.<br /><br />D4,<br /><br />Yes, good one. His info about Beethoven was no preference, but that's because he understands the medium. He doesn't know rap, and in his ignorance, he says, go to it. That's my throw the car keys to your junior higher metaphor. By the way, not understanding it is a total copout. What's not to understand.<br /><br />Mat, <br /><br />send me the sermon. I would be appreciative -- send it to, betbapt AT flash DOT net<br /><br />Bobby,<br /><br />He applies his genius to pragmatism. I think that despite the conservative resurgence, in the long run the SBC would have been better off with liberalism than this quasi-milquetoast-worldly "conservativism." That occurred to me just today. I might post on it.<br /><br />Lou,<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-61517626672530789082013-12-04T06:53:37.350-08:002013-12-04T06:53:37.350-08:00Kent:
Last night I set up a link from my article ...Kent:<br /><br />Last night I set up a link from my article on this subject to your excellent work on the issue here. Hoping to guide many readers to your article.<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-86295788833078677752013-12-03T21:15:53.539-08:002013-12-03T21:15:53.539-08:00Kent:
This latest from Mohler should come as no...Kent: <br /><br />This latest from Mohler should come as no surprise to anyone who has followed his string of ecumenical compromises and questionable decisions over the past 10+ years. This is far from his first such foray, and it certainly will not be his last.<br /><br /><br />LMLou Martuneachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08683967904677815711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-5203923081730901702013-12-03T20:03:25.227-08:002013-12-03T20:03:25.227-08:00With his article Mohler definitely gets me thinkin...With his article Mohler definitely gets me thinking about thinking about pandering. Bobbyhttp://www.apurechurch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-61629472857631274922013-12-03T19:19:47.921-08:002013-12-03T19:19:47.921-08:00Ken Lengel wrote:
"The testimony of those wh...Ken Lengel wrote:<br /><br />"The testimony of those who share the truth in love, is far greater, than a bad testimony to the world because of a weak faith and an arrogant sense of liberty."<br /><br />That sentence says it all and is one of the best comprehensive synopsis I have read.<br /><br />Well done.The Preacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555338497068482867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-91462045733013290352013-12-03T19:12:50.015-08:002013-12-03T19:12:50.015-08:00I dare say you would have a very hard time finding...I dare say you would have a very hard time finding someone who "likes" rock, pop, hip-hop, country, etc. more than I do. This stuff was my life before I came to Christ; and I tried very hard to retain it as part of my life after I came to Christ in the form of CCM. About ten years ago, I realized that I was fighting a losing battle. There was no way I could continue to try and reconcile what I knew rock/rap/country inherently was with what I was learning about my holy Savior.<br /><br />Even today when I go into a store and I hear my old favorites, it's all I can do to keep from singing them. I would really, really love it if I was wrong about this, but I'm not. In fact, neither are all of the dozens of rock/pop artists themselves when over and over and over they have told us what the nature of this music is and what it was meant to be used for. They tell us in interviews and in many of the songs. For example, Huey Lewis in "The Heart of Rock 'n Roll" told us that "It's still that same old backbeat rhythm, that really, really drives 'em wild." Alannah Myles in her 1990 hit "Black Velvet" told us that rock music was "...a new religion that will bring ya to your knees." I could give literally hundreds more.<br /><br />I realize that some have already attempted to skillfully discard this reasoning as an "old and tired" argument. It's old because it comes from the Bible and people who want to hang onto their worldly music are "tired" of hearing about it. It comes from the Bible because the Bible tells us to "prove all things; hold fast that which is good". When we "prove" rock/rap music by examining what it really is, it fails the test. In my flesh, I'd love to be proven wrong.<br /><br />Perhaps what is the saddest thing about this is the constant use of evangelism to try and excuse worldliness. I have heard that line so many times. "How are you going to reach people...? Most of the people who have told me that do much to get the gospel out, but they bring it out of their arsenal to use as a stick to beat back any who would question. (Note the constant mention of "Gospel" in Mohler's article.)<br /><br />Kent, I've done a message on the nature of rock music that has a few insights you maybe haven't considered. Let me know if your interested and I can send it to you. Keep up the good work!<br /><br />MatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-15202591392511803252013-12-03T12:56:40.295-08:002013-12-03T12:56:40.295-08:00d4v34x,
I agree with your assessment of Mohler. I...d4v34x,<br /><br />I agree with your assessment of Mohler. It seems that there is a large group within fundamentalism that is now promoting an improper view of questionable things. While I know that fundamentalism has become about essentials/non-essentials in many circles, it now appears to be that anything that is "non-essential" is a matter of conscience. However, I think there is definitely a difference between questionable things and defendable, biblical positions from Scriptures. In addition, it does not have to be something by which we judge other people, as God is the judge of each of us. However, biblical standards should be taught and not written off as non-essentials, a matter of conscience or preference. <br /><br />I will share an example from my own personal walk with God. I was saved for 5 years, and a part of a Bible believing church, that accepted believers using CCM in their own lives, but not the church life. When I became an independent Baptist, I was taught good biblical principles on things like dress, music, etc. Noone judged me for not being like them, but they encouraged me to consider God's holiness and how I chose to live my life before Him. As a fan of CCM at that time, I went to work one day when we were permitted on a Friday to listen via headphones to our own music. Someone heard the music coming from headset, and asked if they could listen. This person was someone who I had been witnessing to. The next thing she said to me changed my life. She had a weird look on her face, so I asked her, sheepishly, what did she think? She replied, "I didn't know a guy like you [A bible-believing Christian who had a testimony for Christ] listened to music like this." Her words cut straight to my heart. Here I was trying to be a good testimony of my salvation, and my music choice was a shock to her. I must say, it was NOT in a good sense, but almost in a hypocritical one. <br /><br />I think this is what people who are saved and travel in their own little worlds and circles tend to forget. As we live among the lost, and if we have a testimony of separation unto God before them, they will find it hypocritical that we listen to such music. It's a weak faith that believes we need the world's music to lead others to Christ. <br /><br />It's kind of arrogant, IMO, that some believers think they have liberty to listen to and support such unholy music genres and have the blessing of God, because they are not convicted in their conscience that it is wrong. I wanted to learn how to be holy. I wanted my life to match what I believed from God's Word regarding my testimony. It's why I became an Independent Baptist. I saw people, who at various stages were trying to live a good testimony, all with their own struggles. We never succombed to accept things because they were too hard, too popular in other circles, or too peculiar from the world. We strove to be holy, period. In addition, pastors can teach standards that promote a sound testimony without judging those who are growing spiritually. Without it, I don't know where I would be. The testimony of those who share the truth in love, is far greater, than a bad testimony to the world because of a weak faith and an arrogant sense of liberty. <br /><br />KenKen Lengelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808011240895370627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-3570167756350801402013-12-03T04:49:45.567-08:002013-12-03T04:49:45.567-08:00I thought the most important failure in Mohler'...I thought the most important failure in Mohler's article was his refusal to distinguish between a preference and a judgement. As you say, a man as intelligent and thoughtful as he is has no real excuse. d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-28483548896274495742013-12-03T04:16:47.823-08:002013-12-03T04:16:47.823-08:00Is that a flock of ducks...ha! No, it's the un...Is that a flock of ducks...ha! No, it's the universal school of Evanjellifish, but you can't see them bec. they're invisible.<br />Good series. I also read your comments at Aniol's RA blog. Bravo, there, also. <br />One cultural critic aptly said: the medium is the message. And that is why rock, rap, et al. are inadequet to communicate the Gospel message.<br />1. God said to preach it.<br />2. The gospel message is about sacrifice, rock/pop music and all its various art forms, are about selfishness (polar opposites).<br />3. You mix the sacred with wordliness, you get contradiction and confusion none of which reflects the God of the Bible.Bill Hardeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15552819877860565186noreply@blogger.com