tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post181302994606055831..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: The Root of Uncertainty: Not Can't, Not Don't, But Won'tKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-2595697357118461192014-05-22T17:29:49.464-07:002014-05-22T17:29:49.464-07:00Kent,
2 Peter 1:3 was (and still is) key for me a...Kent,<br /><br />2 Peter 1:3 was (and still is) key for me as I came out of New Evangelicalism and then "neo-fundamentalism". It kinda slams the door shut on this stuff, because we are told that everything we need to know concerning "all things" pertaining to life in godliness is found in the Bible. If we really want to know we can search it out. That certainly doesn't mean that I know all these things, but it means that a conclusion should be the goal, not ambiguity.<br /><br />I heard more than once with New Evangelical circles the phrase "the longer I am a Christian, the more ambiguous life becomes." I remember thinking, "Really? This is what the indwelling Holy Spirit and the Word of God" leads to?" It's exactly as you said, uncertainty is a handy card to play when you want either a bigger tent or a spiritual-sounding excuse.<br /><br />MatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-18781443686721726842014-05-22T16:12:42.582-07:002014-05-22T16:12:42.582-07:00Mat,
Exactly.
It's a similar argument that I...Mat,<br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />It's a similar argument that I hear from primaries when they don't want to get in trouble. "I didn't know what you meant." They know, but they say, "I didn't know" and that should be enough to get them out of it.<br /><br />I've had people who disagreed with teaching, and very common in all the years of pastoring, "so what is it that it does say?" "I don't know, but not what you said." "Well, could you study it out, so that I could hear what you think it says." A few months later, I ask again, and still not studied. Year later, still not. So I make up a self-study. Person doesn't do the self-study. Very typical.<br /><br />When you believe in certainty, you've got to deal with it. If most or much is uncertain, that's the card you throw down you when you don't like it.<br /><br />I'm basing "won't" on Romans 1, but I could go further with other arguments.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-68919468873722991522014-05-22T15:44:38.663-07:002014-05-22T15:44:38.663-07:00I thought his first argument was even more "t...I thought his first argument was even more "troubling"...<br /><br />Premise: We are not certain about stuff in the ocean.<br /><br />Conclusion: We can't be certain about biblical application.<br /><br />2nd Conclusion: Anyone who is certain about biblical application is absurd (especially is you can label it "[lastName] Theology".<br /><br />MatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-18691631384076427722014-05-22T13:02:13.846-07:002014-05-22T13:02:13.846-07:00I find Anonymous' argument...troubling.I find Anonymous' argument...troubling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-56779748588331582112014-05-22T10:24:05.812-07:002014-05-22T10:24:05.812-07:00Anonymous argument:
Major Premise: If smart men ...Anonymous argument:<br /><br />Major Premise: If smart men disagree over doctrine, the meaning of scripture is uncertain.<br />Minor Premise: Smart men have disagreed over doctrine.<br />Conclusion: Therefore, the meaning of scripture is uncertain.<br /><br />Your major premise is false. Jesus said men would disagree over doctrine, because of false prophets and false teachers, so that is not evidence that meaning is uncertain. Your position is a faithless, humanistic position, but you'll get a lot of people agreeing with you, you've got a consensus, so you must be right. You'll know the truth by putting your finger in the air to tell you which way the wind is blowing. Enjoy that.<br /><br />You're other argument is name-calling: absurd. The Bill Nye argument: troubling. Typical.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-26168321853101985992014-05-22T07:17:49.638-07:002014-05-22T07:17:49.638-07:00Ken wins the reductionist argument of the year. Lo...Ken wins the reductionist argument of the year. Look, if you guys focused on what God said (what you call doctrine), you would have enough problems being certain since smarter men than the bunch of you have disagreed over doctrine for 2000 years. But to be certain on application? To be certain that a woman should not wear britches? Absurd...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-71105314158326328952014-05-21T20:27:04.906-07:002014-05-21T20:27:04.906-07:00"Hath God said?" What more proof could a..."Hath God said?" What more proof could anyone need to prove uncertainty is rebellion?<br /><br />Ken Ken Lengelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14808011240895370627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-3486400880241017262014-05-21T14:24:54.010-07:002014-05-21T14:24:54.010-07:00I included Anonymous comment, because I am uncerta...I included Anonymous comment, because I am uncertain about who anonymous is, and this proves that I am uncertain; therefore, the door of uncertainty is open. Drive through your Mack truck. Of course, I said uncertain about what the Words are, what the teachings are, what the applications are. God didn't give us a guess, but that's what evangelicals and now fundamentalists want us to have. It aids the numbers, the coalitions, the ridiculous, silly methods, and man-centered practice and worship.<br /><br />Good argument anonymous.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-9347555792877420792014-05-21T13:20:37.267-07:002014-05-21T13:20:37.267-07:00Throwing out your conclusions about the Bible vers...Throwing out your conclusions about the Bible versions, your whole proceeding structure of thinking is absurd. I have to wonder what in you past could possibly lead you to the conclusion that uncertainty is rebellion. We for example, know very little about what is in the ocean. We have explored very little of it. So can we be certain? Of course not; we would agree that is absurd. But in Brandenburg theology, you can be certain about every Biblical application to life even when you don't know what you are talking about.<br /><br />Again, the best word is absurd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1837863822323527262014-05-21T09:16:47.460-07:002014-05-21T09:16:47.460-07:00The obvious question for Daniel Wallace is, "...The obvious question for Daniel Wallace is, "If God's Word itself puts such emphasis on inerrancy and verbal inspiration (and preservation, for that matter), then what grounds are there to refer to these doctrines as 'peripheral,' even presuming one accepts the legitimacy of ranking of doctrines?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com