tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post1202212976368125231..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Do Christians Like the Whole Bible?Kent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-40018990325249463882017-07-14T03:59:43.608-07:002017-07-14T03:59:43.608-07:00Sir,
The title of your article is what I am comme...Sir,<br /><br />The title of your article is what I am commenting on. Please accept my apologies for anything else you may have gotten out of this exchange.<br /><br />To me, your church isn't much different in its gospel presentation or in its beliefs than the ones you mentioned above...only in its practices. You talk about true doctrine, yet from my perspective, you do not even understand the Gospel and the extent of the grace of God towards His children.<br /><br /><br />I will refrain from commenting on your blog in the future.<br /><br />Good day.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12154640995576427730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-59857189768630820712017-07-13T23:48:18.233-07:002017-07-13T23:48:18.233-07:00Hi Dave,
What is your point? You're talking ...Hi Dave,<br /><br />What is your point? You're talking like you've got some special insight on salvation or the gospel, but you contradict yourself and scripture numerous times. You want to make sure that salvation is all of God to the point where someone can't be saved by believing in Jesus Christ. That is confusing to people, which isn't good in salvation. All of this is in answer to a post that really has little to do with your comments. Almost nothing to do with what I wrote.<br /><br />I tell you faith isn't a work. You say, it is a work. That sounds like someone who just wants to disagree, just wants to contradict. Later you call it a gift, so you yourself say it isn't a work.<br /><br />What's your real point here, Dave? Please be concise. I want it in one sentence.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-68068162904194436162017-07-13T15:29:19.906-07:002017-07-13T15:29:19.906-07:00You said, " Faith isn't a work."
...You said, " Faith isn't a work."<br /><br /><br /><br />Sure it is... but it is entirely a work of God, Mr. Brandenburg:<br /><br />"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." ( John 6:29 )<br /> <br />It is a work of God for someone to believe on Christ. Appealing to the will and telling someone that if they will believe on Christ, they can gain salvation by believing, is not what the Bible says, and the apostle Paul never preached this. He preached Christ and Him crucified, and made the same promise God does: <br /><br />Whosoever believeth on Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. It was never an offer, but it always was and is a promise and a declaration. <br /><br />Finally, there is nothing about the gift of salvation that is dependent upon mankind's response. Again, salvation is 100% of God. If it wasn't, then that would potentially give men something to boast about, and God will not have men to glory in His presence, except for His grace to them.<br /><br /><br /><br />His blessings to you, sir.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12154640995576427730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-50097628223623286762017-07-13T14:55:58.401-07:002017-07-13T14:55:58.401-07:00Kent,
Faith is a gift from God ( Ephesians 2:8-9 ...Kent,<br /><br />Faith is a gift from God ( Ephesians 2:8-9 ).<br />Belief is a gift from God ( Philippians 1:29 ).<br />The knowledge of the mysteries of heaven are a gift from God ( Matthew 13:11, Mark 4:11, Like 8:10 ).<br />Salvation is not by the will of man ( John 1:13 ), it is BY grace THROUGH faith, not BY faith ( Ephesians 2:8-9 ). Faith is the EVIDENCE of things not seen ( Hebrews 11:1 ), not the means by which a person can gain salvation.<br /><br />Please read Acts 13:49 again. It means exactly what it says.<br /><br />Anyone who teaches salvation by some effort of men, whether that effort is belief, faith, or any other vehicle like works, is teaching salvation conditioned upon man's will and that is a false gospel. That is not how God saves anyone. For example, a person is not saved because they believe...they believe because they are saved. He told the Jews why they did not believe on Him:<br /><br />" But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you." ( John 10:26 ) Notice He didn't tell them that they were not of His sheep because they didn't believe, but the other way around.<br /><br />Sir, God saves men, they don't "cooperate" or save themselves by doing something.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12154640995576427730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-42769370083675614302017-07-13T09:39:51.227-07:002017-07-13T09:39:51.227-07:00Dave,
Faith isn't a work.
KBDave,<br /><br />Faith isn't a work.<br /><br />KBKent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-85856211180501278162017-07-12T15:54:43.055-07:002017-07-12T15:54:43.055-07:00I know quite a few who profess Christ as their Sav...I know quite a few who profess Christ as their Saviour and do not believe all the words of Scripture. <br /><br />Take for example, the person who believes wholeheartedly that Christ was born of a virgin, but does not believe that their salvation is secure in Him because of Christ's finished work on the cross. These include Catholics, Nazarenes, Bible Missionaries, Pentecostals and the Churches of Christ.<br /><br />Then there's the person who believes that Christ died for their sins, but that there is nothing to save them from...Seventh Day Adventists, who deny a literal Hell fire.<br /><br />Finally, there's the person who believes that salvation is an offer ( as in "you do this, and I will do that" ) that can be gained by an act of the will, rather than a gift of God's grace given without restriction by Him to whomsoever He wishes.<br /><br /><br />You said, "If you are going to preach the Bible, you have to preach all of it, believe all of it, practice all of it, and apply all of it, using its principles. " <br /><br />I agree. ALL of the Bible is to be believed, if one has eternal life:<br />"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." ( Matthew 4:4 )<br /><br />Belief of His words is proof that a person is saved:<br /><br />" My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand." ( John 10:27-28 )<br /><br />" He that is of God heareth God’s words:..." ( John 8:47a )<br /><br /><br />Does your church believe and teach both Acts 13:48 as meaning what it says:<br /><br />" And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."<br /><br />... as well as Romans 10:17?<br /><br />" So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."<br /><br /><br /><br />Does it believe and teach 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14:<br /><br />" But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."<br /><br />...as well as Romans 10:9?<br /><br />" that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."<br /><br />Does it teach that salvation is a gift ENTIRELY of God's grace, or does it instead teach that man has to do something in order to obtain the gift? For example, I often hear people say that "salvation is 100% of God", and then turn right around and say, " but you have to believe in order to become saved." <br /><br />If it does teach salvation by God alone, then that would put you in a VERY small crowd, and believing ALL of God's word. If it doesn't, then that puts you in a very large crowd, believing and teaching very similarly to all of the same churches that I listed above ( and many more ), whose gospel is conditioned on the will of men and states to people that something THEY can do will result in their salvation.<br /><br />Prominent preachers who teach or have taught that salvation is dependent upon some effort of men include Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Dwight Moody, Dwight Pentecost, Jack Hyles, John R. Rice, David Cloud, Dave Hunt, Cooper Abrams, Samuel Gipp, Charles Finney, Jack Graham and Jerry Falwell.<br /><br />Prominent preachers that have taught that salvation was entirely of God include Jonathan Edwards, Charles Haddon Spurgeon, Rolf Barnard, the apostle Paul and Jesus Christ Himself:<br /><br />" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." ( John 6:65 )<br /><br />Where do you stand?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12154640995576427730noreply@blogger.com