tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post115164210774605208..comments2023-12-22T08:29:29.230-08:00Comments on WHAT IS TRUTH: Group PrayingKent Brandenburghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151973920218925672006-07-03T17:45:00.000-07:002006-07-03T17:45:00.000-07:00"Talking thur Joel's hat".....well said. I have to..."Talking thur Joel's hat".....well said. I have to agree that it would appear the door was indeed opened to others besides the Jews...and arn't we glad.<BR/><BR/>Thur Joel's hat......<BR/>ILAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151945984213630422006-07-03T09:59:00.000-07:002006-07-03T09:59:00.000-07:00Comment eaten by blogger, again...Well, it will su...Comment eaten by blogger, again...<BR/><BR/>Well, it will suffice to say "Amen!" to your comment, Kent:<BR/><BR/><I>God works uniquely through the church in a way that He does not work through individuals</I>.Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151945820495901152006-07-03T09:57:00.000-07:002006-07-03T09:57:00.000-07:00God works uniquely through the church in a way tha...<I>God works uniquely through the church in a way that He does not work through individuals</I>.<BR/><BR/>Amen.Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151907336629496742006-07-02T23:15:00.000-07:002006-07-02T23:15:00.000-07:00Joel, just to be on the same page---what do you th...Joel, just to be on the same page---what do you think the keys to the kingdom are?Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151816032070786912006-07-01T21:53:00.000-07:002006-07-01T21:53:00.000-07:00Joel,I think it provides a strong argument for hum...Joel,<BR/><BR/>I think it provides a strong argument for human authority in the church. Peter made His confession, and Jesus answered him, and this was His answer; therefore, He spoke to Peter. But Peter was the leader of the group. John the Baptist got baptism from heaven, but that didn't mean that no one else could baptize. Peter could turn with that authority and give it to everyone else. The same authority as opening the doors to the kingdom is wrapped up in a whole lot of other commands that Jesus gave all of them. Something dispensational here though as well, related to Israel no longer possessing the keys.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151728270051890672006-06-30T21:31:00.000-07:002006-06-30T21:31:00.000-07:00It is not in Matthew 16 that we get this applied t...It is not in Matthew 16 that we get this applied to the church, but in Matthew 18 (notice the context, and now plural pronouns are used):<BR/><BR/>Matthew 18:15-20 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.<BR/><BR/>Contrast that with this verse:<BR/><BR/>Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.<BR/><BR/>The difference is Peter was giving the keys to the kingdom - which means he had the authority to open the door of the Gospel to the Jews and to the Gentiles - and we find he is the first one to do so in the early church to each group.<BR/><BR/>All believers have the ability to bind and loose according to God's will - only Peter had the authority to open the door of the Gospel/kingdom.Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151686492619750152006-06-30T09:54:00.000-07:002006-06-30T09:54:00.000-07:00Hey throwback. You are right about singular, Pete...Hey throwback. You are right about singular, Peter, leader, spokesman of the group. This I knew, and not attempting to contradict Scripture, but He used the singular because He was speaking to Peter specifically, going back a few verses in the context, but it applies to all of the first church members.Kent Brandenburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13419354741455959191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20213892.post-1151660773384273062006-06-30T02:46:00.000-07:002006-06-30T02:46:00.000-07:00Thank you for posting this - there are some aspect...Thank you for posting this - there are some aspects of this issue I was wondering about. I couldn't understand why if God would answer the prayer of 2 or 3, why we should get more people praying - seemed like just being religious (and no one else seemed to have an answer either when I asked about this) - but I can see what you mean about unity within the local church on a matter they are praying about. Though I do not think I have ever heard of someone going to the others and stating that they did not believe what was being prayed for was in God's will - if they ever thought that, they kept it to themselves. But I can see how this would be relevant, especially when praying for God's will in a major area - including when it involves as aspect of ministry. If the church is basically unamimous (after prayer), then that is a good indication that it is in God's will.Jerry Boueyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11939572388745111915noreply@blogger.com